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It took two days to develop Moderna’s vaccine

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Re: It took two days to develop Moderna’s vaccine

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Post by tomjen3 »

mrits wrote: post #71
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #47

I’m glad to see this and we need to concentrate on speeding this process up. This isn’t the last pandemic and all things considered this one was a pretty benign one to have to fight. The next one might not just kill mainly the old and weak and might need much more than a mask (that we still can’t get people to wear!) to prevent its spread. Hopefully before then, we can work to get everyone more on the same page and h…

To get worse than COVID you'd need a virus that takes a long time to develop symptoms and then has a high death rate. In that scenario there would be a lot more public fear and we'd have an easier time keeping people at home. So I'm still of the opinion it's harder to have a worse situation than COVID.

You just need something that is truely airborne, not just able to fly with sneezes and exhalations.

Something that spreads like measles and kills 5%, maims some, etc.

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Post by throwaway2245 »

beamatronic wrote: post #254
jayrot wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah this pandemic has been described as the perfect middle ground for politicization, denialism, and just laissez-faire attitudes. Any more deadly (like Ebola) it becomes incredibly scary and people likely do whatever it takes when they see people around them dropping like flies (especially in horrific ways). Any less deadly (basically the yearly flu) and it becomes easy to ignore and just becomes part of the backgr…

Totally disagree about the last part. The more pain we suffer now, the longer the lesson will last.

That's not how psychology of pain works.

I don't need to hold my hand in a fire to know not to touch fire again.

Giving someone pain/suffering to teach them a lesson is just abuse.

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Post by InafuSabi »

bamboozled wrote: post #287
the-pigeon wrote: post #222

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In particular, when COVID19 was first spreading but we knew about it back in February countries could've easily contact traced to flush it out and then quarantined all incoming travelers to keep it out. But most countries deemed those actions too extreme and economically damaging so instead let it come spread and do way more damage.

It’s a shame we’ve forgotten about the incompetence and idiocy that got us to where we are today. So many failures got us to this point.

Also taking into account that often the balance between spreading the disease and letting people work to feed themselves and loved ones is a massive challenge.

In my country we have destroyed economiy due to 10 years of incompetent greedy politics which had killed it already. People are out of work because of that.

Now the pandemic has made sure no one will recover at an acceptable rate, because new politicians also struggle to find the balance.

At this side of the planet we are screwed at such a hard rate, its amazing I can still feed myself, pay utilities and internet and be medically insured

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Post by bob33212 »

jayrot wrote: post #94
mrits wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To get worse than COVID you'd need a virus that takes a long time to develop symptoms and then has a high death rate. In that scenario there would be a lot more public fear and we'd have an easier time keeping people at home. So I'm still of the opinion it's harder to have a worse situation than COVID.

Yeah this pandemic has been described as the perfect middle ground for politicization, denialism, and just laissez-faire attitudes. Any more deadly (like Ebola) it becomes incredibly scary and people likely do whatever it takes when they see people around them dropping like flies (especially in horrific ways). Any less deadly (basically the yearly flu) and it becomes easy to ignore and just becomes part of the backgr…

The more deadly a virus is the less likely you will have super spreaders. If the virus was 5x deadly you would probably also see 5x worse symptoms in most people. So instead of taking a bunch of DayQuil and going to the business meeting that person would be home feeling and looking like shit.

Re: It took two days to develop Moderna’s vaccine

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Post by matz1 »

maxerickson wrote: post #260
matz1 wrote: post #257

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Low or high can be very subjective, at least I consider it very very low. I wouldn't ask my parent/grand parent to isolate, if they don't want it. >And 1 in 20 people over 70 obviously isn't low People in over 70 has already high chance of death regardless of covid or not. So given that they are infected with covid, 1 in 20 chance is not high.

So given that they are infected with covid That this is not some uncontrollable inevitability is the whole point. Places that were proactive have less economic harm and far less death and illness. I suppose people aren't going to change, so the ship has sailed for much of the world, but it wasn't inevitable for vast numbers of people to get infected. As far as 1/200 being subjectively low, if something had a 1/200 ch…

The point is, even without any precaution, they might never be infected in the first place, so probably death from covid for this specific age group is : probability of getting infected * 1/200. So even less than 1/200.

If I'm in this age group, obviously I would happily take this chance, if the alternative is lockdown/restriction.

Re: It took two days to develop Moderna’s vaccine

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Post by matz1 »

andylynch wrote: post #289
matz1 wrote: post #187

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Sweeden is one example, the death toll is still manageable and the life is pretty much still normal. Not a country: florida, it is one of the state in the usa that has the least covid related restriction. They are doing very well. Went there myself to visit recently. Its not hard to see why lockdown is not worth it. According to cdc, covid has very very low ifr : 0-19 years: 0.00003 20-49 years: 0.0002 50-69 years: 0…

I’m not sure about Sweden. This week their king was on TV saying ‘we have failed’. Nearly 8,000 dead. This is not normal.

That is his opinion, which I disagree. I myself would not consider it 'failed'. Sweeden total death this year is not significantly different compared to previous year.

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Post by Spooky23 »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #296
Spooky23 wrote: post #259

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The nasty part of coronavirus is that while you are most contagious in the first 24 hours of symptoms presenting, you are also meaningfully contagious for about 48 hours prior to symptoms appearing.

Interesting, have any links to this?

Sure.

Here’s one link: https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/07/how-long-sy...

Contact tracing protocol is built around this, so I’m sure other references exist as well.

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Post by kiko_2 »

matz1 wrote: post #307
andylynch wrote: post #289

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I’m not sure about Sweden. This week their king was on TV saying ‘we have failed’. Nearly 8,000 dead. This is not normal.

That is his opinion, which I disagree. I myself would not consider it 'failed'. Sweeden total death this year is not significantly different compared to previous year.

What are you taking about? Sweden reported that this November was the deadliest in the last 100 years since the Spanish flu in 1918. Compared to Norway, Sweden has 20x more deaths from covid (Sweden 8000 vs Norway 400 deaths) and Sweden has only 2x population (10M vs 5M). And Norway has a better GDP than Sweden despite stricter lockdown policies.

Re: It took two days to develop Moderna’s vaccine

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Post by matz1 »

kiko_2 wrote: post #309
matz1 wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is his opinion, which I disagree. I myself would not consider it 'failed'. Sweeden total death this year is not significantly different compared to previous year.

What are you taking about? Sweden reported that this November was the deadliest in the last 100 years since the Spanish flu in 1918. Compared to Norway, Sweden has 20x more deaths from covid (Sweden 8000 vs Norway 400 deaths) and Sweden has only 2x population (10M vs 5M). And Norway has a better GDP than Sweden despite stricter lockdown policies.

Number of death for 2020 are not significantly different than previous year:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-...

yes it said the dec 2020 data is only up to dec 11 but its unlikely that the number its going to be substantially increase with half month to go.

another stats:

death per million for 2020 is not much different compared to five year average:

https://legionsletters.com/mortality#SWEDEN-MORTALITY

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