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Streaming Is Stalling: Can Music Keep Up in the Attention Economy?

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Re: Streaming Is Stalling: Can Music Keep Up in the Attention Economy?

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Post by foepys »

throwaway13337 wrote: post #44

An aspect here is that a lot more people are primarily on social media services like YouTube and twitch. The people they follow cannot play popular music because of DMCA take downs. The result is that a natural avenue for discovery music is cut off. Consumers will not associate the experience of the thing they're enjoying with the music as has traditionally been the case with TV, movies, and bars. The setting has a l…

They absolutely can play popular music. They just don't want to pay for it.

All popular YouTubers and streamers are businesses which is a part that is often forgotten. They are all acting like they are friends with their viewers but in reality they are businesses just like a car wash, restaurant, plumber, etc.

Re: Streaming Is Stalling: Can Music Keep Up in the Attention Economy?

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Post by Bayart »

tayo42 wrote: post #35
dvlsg wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't say I agree with that. There is a lot of really good new music, just like there is a lot of bad old music. The difference is the bad old music has already been forgotten, but the bad new music is recent enough to still be somewhat memorable. For now.

Good music depends on what you like. Rock is a dead genre now, if you don't like edm or trap/hip hop then what new music are you listening to?

Depends what you call « rock ». Radio-friendly indie rock had its 15 minutes of fame in the 2000s and now it's out of the mainstream. So what ? Metal's sub-genres are on a seemingly never-ending expansion, psychedelic rock is doing great, new occult/hard-rock/doom/acid bands are seemingly popping up every day, you've got stuff like Saharian blues-rock giving us awesome music [1] etc. Plus the tropes of rock music feeding into new forms of instrumentation (ie. electronic music).

And music isn't restricted to bland rock, hip-hop or EDM archetypes. The spectrum of possibilities is infinite, and the spectrum of what comes out reflects it pretty well. Especially if you dare looking out of your little cultural fishbowl.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZvPoE0EH1o

Re: Streaming Is Stalling: Can Music Keep Up in the Attention Economy?

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Post by canofbars »

foepys wrote: post #51
throwaway13337 wrote: post #44

An aspect here is that a lot more people are primarily on social media services like YouTube and twitch. The people they follow cannot play popular music because of DMCA take downs. The result is that a natural avenue for discovery music is cut off. Consumers will not associate the experience of the thing they're enjoying with the music as has traditionally been the case with TV, movies, and bars. The setting has a l…

They absolutely can play popular music. They just don't want to pay for it. All popular YouTubers and streamers are businesses which is a part that is often forgotten. They are all acting like they are friends with their viewers but in reality they are businesses just like a car wash, restaurant, plumber, etc.

Because they don't have to pay for it. They have plenty of free music available and they aren't losing fans over it.

Re: Streaming Is Stalling: Can Music Keep Up in the Attention Economy?

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Post by J0_k3r »

foepys wrote: post #51
throwaway13337 wrote: post #44

An aspect here is that a lot more people are primarily on social media services like YouTube and twitch. The people they follow cannot play popular music because of DMCA take downs. The result is that a natural avenue for discovery music is cut off. Consumers will not associate the experience of the thing they're enjoying with the music as has traditionally been the case with TV, movies, and bars. The setting has a l…

They absolutely can play popular music. They just don't want to pay for it. All popular YouTubers and streamers are businesses which is a part that is often forgotten. They are all acting like they are friends with their viewers but in reality they are businesses just like a car wash, restaurant, plumber, etc.

Let's say you're a youtuber or streamer who listens to a variety of different music, are you really going to pay to license every one of your favorite songs for business use? No.

Instead they go to No Copyright Sounds or Kevin McLeod and grab their stuff instead because why are you going to sacrifice that money to license the music when you're small and starting out?

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Post by harlanji »

grawprog wrote: post #49

Streaming music sucks. It might seem weird but I don't like it. The first music I ever 'owned' myself personally were songs I taped off the radio. After that I started pirating music the same way I would collect songs on the radio, after that I started buying CD's, today I buy songs and albums from artists and producers directly. Building playlists on a streaming service is not the same as building a music collection…

I worked on a chat app where we designed in some limitations that emulated the feel of an older era.

Maybe the next MySpace will be kinda slow. SD Cards, PO Boxes, eventual consistency, widely adopted formats? Oh my.

Re: Streaming Is Stalling: Can Music Keep Up in the Attention Economy?

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Post by magicalhippo »

tayo42 wrote: post #35
dvlsg wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't say I agree with that. There is a lot of really good new music, just like there is a lot of bad old music. The difference is the bad old music has already been forgotten, but the bad new music is recent enough to still be somewhat memorable. For now.

Good music depends on what you like. Rock is a dead genre now, if you don't like edm or trap/hip hop then what new music are you listening to?

Lots of great music out there, here's some of what I enjoy but Bandcamp has so much more...

https://delvonlamarrorgantrio.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-kex...

https://smallstone.bandcamp.com/album/the-heat

https://firebreatherdoom.bandcamp.com/

https://thesoftmoon.bandcamp.com/album/criminal

https://dakhabrakha.bandcamp.com/album/the-road

https://wizardrifle.bandcamp.com/

https://smallstone.bandcamp.com/album/our-birth-is-but-a-sle...

https://estastonne.bandcamp.com/album/internal-flight-remast...

https://mayflowermadame.bandcamp.com/

https://moonduo.bandcamp.com/album/occult-architecture-vol-2

https://hashiya.bandcamp.com/album/disfigurement

https://secondstill.bandcamp.com/

https://theosirisclub.bandcamp.com/album/the-wine-dark-sea

Re: Streaming Is Stalling: Can Music Keep Up in the Attention Economy?

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Post by amznthrwaway »

grawprog wrote: post #49

Streaming music sucks. It might seem weird but I don't like it. The first music I ever 'owned' myself personally were songs I taped off the radio. After that I started pirating music the same way I would collect songs on the radio, after that I started buying CD's, today I buy songs and albums from artists and producers directly. Building playlists on a streaming service is not the same as building a music collection…

Streaming has been incredible for me, and my love of music.

I know and love music today that I never would’ve even heard in the old days because it wasn’t on the radio, and I had a limited budget for experimental purchases.

I used to have to spend $15 to try an album which would have 2 good tracks if I was lucky. Most times it was entirely mediocre. As a kid, that was a big investment, so I got stuck listening narrowly, and buying things that were very likely to be hits (the same bands; the same labels; etc)

Now my friends send me Spotify and YouTube links every day. I’ve found new genres and artists. It’s been wonderful.

I know that your ignorant, judgmental, and elitist opinion doesn’t matter; streaming is here to stay. But it’s absurd that your whining that kids today don’t enjoy music the right way is near the top of the page.

Your arrogance should be dead, like my comment surely will be.

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Post by rectang »

throwaway13337 wrote: post #44

An aspect here is that a lot more people are primarily on social media services like YouTube and twitch. The people they follow cannot play popular music because of DMCA take downs. The result is that a natural avenue for discovery music is cut off. Consumers will not associate the experience of the thing they're enjoying with the music as has traditionally been the case with TV, movies, and bars. The setting has a l…

> no company should own that.

In a world without licensing, the companies who make money off of art are the the ISPs.

Re: Streaming Is Stalling: Can Music Keep Up in the Attention Economy?

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Post by taurath »

foepys wrote: post #51
throwaway13337 wrote: post #44

An aspect here is that a lot more people are primarily on social media services like YouTube and twitch. The people they follow cannot play popular music because of DMCA take downs. The result is that a natural avenue for discovery music is cut off. Consumers will not associate the experience of the thing they're enjoying with the music as has traditionally been the case with TV, movies, and bars. The setting has a l…

They absolutely can play popular music. They just don't want to pay for it. All popular YouTubers and streamers are businesses which is a part that is often forgotten. They are all acting like they are friends with their viewers but in reality they are businesses just like a car wash, restaurant, plumber, etc.

And they don’t cause... why would they when they don’t have to?

Re: Streaming Is Stalling: Can Music Keep Up in the Attention Economy?

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Post by josephg »

grawprog wrote: post #49

Streaming music sucks. It might seem weird but I don't like it. The first music I ever 'owned' myself personally were songs I taped off the radio. After that I started pirating music the same way I would collect songs on the radio, after that I started buying CD's, today I buy songs and albums from artists and producers directly. Building playlists on a streaming service is not the same as building a music collection…

I hear what you’re saying, but Spotify solves a problem I never managed to solve with CDs: it solves discovery. I used to go to music shops and browse albums, and I had no idea which CD would be worth my money because I couldn’t listen to them and find out! Even from a band I like I would often buy their other albums then get home and be disappointed because they didn’t work for me.

In comparison, spotify will find and play hundreds of fresh songs similar to any song I like. And lots of songs I don’t like - but that’s fine, because more music I’ve never heard before is a click away.

I miss owning my music collection, and I’m very frustrated whenever spotify is missing some of my favourite music. But any scarcity of musical variety you feel is entirely artificial, self imposed and ridiculous.

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