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California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is completely immaterial to the discussion

In defence of the OP, at risk of also getting downvoted :) I think what the OP is trying to say is that it is hard to imagine a career politician instituting such a program.

You mean, career politicians like GW Bush, who launched comprehensive pandemic preparation programs in 2005?

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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This is a good example of why labor unions are important and necessary. A single nurse can be ignored because of the massive power imbalance between an individual and the management collective of a large organization. Nurses banding together to create their own collective creates a level playing field for negotiations.

The nurses in CA have been unionized for quite a while now. At the point that a strike is happening I’m not sure the union is having much success negotiating with the hospital over something that should be basic, obvious and mutually beneficial. One of the big complaints that people have about Unions (under US law) is that they do not really care so much about employee welfare as much as some specific set of bargaining points. The union just adds another large bureaucracy that you personally have minimal bargaining power with. (Last unionized job I had actually negotiated a salary decrease for us but claimed some ideological win over facilities). I feel like something closer to employee ownership/cooperative business models are a better approach to providing for human needs, and to that effect the NLRA should really be reworked.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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I can confirm the "used PPE" thing from personal experience. My partner (a nurse at a VA hospital) was given a Tupperware container with holes poked in the lid as "overnight storage" for her N95 mask and was asked to reuse it for up to a month at a time. As far as I know this is still ongoing. I know the cynical take is "you need to stop letting yourself be surprised / disappointed by this kind of thing" but we shoul…

Was the Defense Production Act successful at ramping up production of PPE? It's been 8 months since I've seen a proper N95 mask on store shelves. Hearing that someone close was going through the same thing as your partner, bringing home used masks and having to hit the black market/eBay for respirators with cartridges so they wouldn't become lightheaded when transporting patients all day was shocking. I think what's…

The DPA was not employed to ramp up production of PPE.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

#24
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This can easily be solved with a tiny bit of sense. The state of California has large stockpiles. Now would be the time to distribute some. EDIT: shows the state of Hacker News readership that this is downvoted when the article states this. Furthermore, here is a second source: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/07/22/governor-newsom-announces-... hitting the downvoted button because it offends their sensibility without rea…

Citation please? I find this incredibly hard to believe.

The article literally mentions it. While it may not be a large stockpile, there’s ppe to be had.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

#25
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is completely immaterial to the discussion

In defence of the OP, at risk of also getting downvoted :) I think what the OP is trying to say is that it is hard to imagine a career politician instituting such a program.

George W. Bush was a career politician and as President he instituted a pandemic response plan.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1283304/

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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post #3

I can confirm the "used PPE" thing from personal experience. My partner (a nurse at a VA hospital) was given a Tupperware container with holes poked in the lid as "overnight storage" for her N95 mask and was asked to reuse it for up to a month at a time. As far as I know this is still ongoing. I know the cynical take is "you need to stop letting yourself be surprised / disappointed by this kind of thing" but we shoul…

Especially since I (the general public) can get an N95 online. If companies aren't protecting their workers they're not trying hard enough.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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Does anyone have a link to more context about the strike? I found this on the union website— http://www.seiu121rn.org/2020/11/29/press-release-nurses-hea...

This is the critical bottleneck to supply:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/n95-mask-shortage-melt-blown-fi...

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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post #3

I can confirm the "used PPE" thing from personal experience. My partner (a nurse at a VA hospital) was given a Tupperware container with holes poked in the lid as "overnight storage" for her N95 mask and was asked to reuse it for up to a month at a time. As far as I know this is still ongoing. I know the cynical take is "you need to stop letting yourself be surprised / disappointed by this kind of thing" but we shoul…

I can also confirm as a student doctor we've had "used" N95s for weeks at a time (that we might not even be sized for). Often being chastised for using an N95 instead of a surgical mask in efforts to "save PPE". It's difficult as a student seeing patients with covid daily as we're given even less than staff. Some students even offered to buy their own PPE but we're not allowed to use outside equipment. So, here I am with my surgical mask seeing patients that possibly have covid but haven't been swabbed yet until I take a history.

Edit: Similarly to your partner, we are given paper bags for our face shields and kidney bean shaped plastic bins to hold our N95. They installed coat hooks to hang our masks at the end of a shift.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

#29
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an outsider this is basically exactly what I would expect to happen in US healthcare.

As an American, it has been incredibly demoralizing seeing one institution after another fail miserably. I didn’t have high expectations, but oh boy did we fall way short.

CDC was muzzled by Trump admin. and a lot of that cascaded downwards.

But still, horrible to see.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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post #15
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is completely immaterial to the discussion

Is it? Career politicians have political debts to be paid, which override what's best for their constituents.

Tangential diatribes about career politicians are not relevant to a potential holiday nursing strike, regardless of the animosity we may feel towards them.

Edit: changed 'is not' to 'are not'

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