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I prepared for a decade to graduate in CS in three months

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Re: I prepared for a decade to graduate in CS in three months

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Just seems like a competent GitHub serves the job better, at lower cost...

Hardly. The only people who care about your GitHub are technical people. Most of the gatekeepers at any decent size company are not going to care one bit about GitHub, but they will recognize the degree. By the time you get to the hiring manager the degree doesn't matter. It's getting to that level that's the obstacle. And frankly, when you have more experience, GitHub is also useless, because your network matters 10…

That I get. Habitus is important. But, here, there was no transmission of habitus, due to the online courses.

Re: I prepared for a decade to graduate in CS in three months

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As a CS major, I can honestly say the ONLY thing of value was a couple of algorithm classes I took. And even then it was from a text I could have read on my own. Unless you’re what I call one-percent talent, CS theory is not going to help you much in your career.

Broad statement, I don't agree with. Different personality types take wholly different things from the same content. I personally feel (and this may sound hubristic, but it isn't) is that the CompSci background raised me to a whole new echelon of depth of meta-knowledge and ability to problem solve large problems.

Re: I prepared for a decade to graduate in CS in three months

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Author here. I'd be happy to answer your questions.

Any luck finding an online PhD? I've been looking for those. As much as I'd love to do a formal PhD program, I cannot with family, but the qualification (from whichever accredited university) would open up a lot of opportunities.

A PhD is about your research and publishing far more than your actual degree. I can't see how an online doctorate would work with today's remote learning options so would not imagine it would have much value

Re: I prepared for a decade to graduate in CS in three months

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This is a little extreme, of course. But there's probably no reason an ordinary motivated person can't get the same education that a college takes 4 years and charges $80,000 for (or more!) in 2 years and $10,000, especially if they combine in-class and on-line.

We just need schools and accreditation organizations to take a new look at things.

Re: I prepared for a decade to graduate in CS in three months

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As a CS major, I can honestly say the ONLY thing of value was a couple of algorithm classes I took. And even then it was from a text I could have read on my own. Unless you’re what I call one-percent talent, CS theory is not going to help you much in your career.

Broad statement, I don't agree with. Different personality types take wholly different things from the same content. I personally feel (and this may sound hubristic, but it isn't) is that the CompSci background raised me to a whole new echelon of depth of meta-knowledge and ability to problem solve large problems.

That’s fair. I was also a math major so perhaps my concentration was a lot more theoretical in nature.

Re: I prepared for a decade to graduate in CS in three months

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Comp Eng PhD here. The fields can indeed be dramatically compressed. Lots of trivia obscure the main points in each comp sci topic.

This comment summarizes much of the the whole thread: a bunch of people who think that getting an academic degree should be like trade school.

I don't fully understand this mentality. We don't look at everything we want to accomplish and say"what's the fastest way to get there?" a 4-year university degree certainly isn't if you want a job, money or credibility. The journey is amazing; I have 2 undergrads and a MSc not because of the material benefits, but because I absolutely loved school, especially the second time around. #3 grad school was a little disappointing but that was due to my expectations. I'm now near 50 and thinking about starting my PhD as a quasi-retirement project. Maaybe I'll go to school with my kids!

Re: I prepared for a decade to graduate in CS in three months

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For anyone who is wondering, the school he listed (Western Governors University) is unfortunately not ABET accredited as far as I can tell.

This should be at the top. What's the point of that paper if the issuer is not accredited?

Re: I prepared for a decade to graduate in CS in three months

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Almost seems like the writer treated the process like playing a video game, without all the pretty colors and sounds that give you that dopamine hit. I feel like I did get a lot out of my Computer Science degree. I got it in 2004 and I picked up a lot of stuff I don't think I would have learned on my own. I also went to a small state University in the middle of nowhere that' wasn't very expensive, and I didn't rack u…

The focus for education is often way too much on the actual instruction (whatever form it may take) rather than the "life structure" the learning takes place in. Let's look at this guy's situation:

>He wasn't working; he had enough money to comfortably pursue this as a full time effort, including paying his tuition, fees, and "room and board" without going into debt

>He was able to establish a routine which included self-care, meaning that he was unhampered by external obligations, mental illness, or material need

>He was able to sequester his studying physically (having a separate home office) and temporally (again, being able to establish a routine which didn't include studying during the time he'd set aside for other things)

>He was studying something he was interested in, with prior knowledge respected and support forthcoming from resources (through a paywall, of course)

If successful study is a function of focus and progression over an extended period, it makes sense that these factors would contribute to that success, as they would have been essential for his ability to achieve and maintain focus (he says as much, in that he mentions never getting close to burnout). In many ways, I think much of what we have in terms of material and presentation is already adequate; the problem is that so many people (including many children) are kept from circumstances conducive to effective learning. People complain about a hypothetical, robust social safety net being an attempt to secure "equality of outcome," but it's evident that successes and failures tend to compound due to the way that outcomes serve as a foundation for the structure future endeavors take place in.

Re: I prepared for a decade to graduate in CS in three months

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I was surprised to find no advanced stuff on their curriculum. At first i thought: another genius telling us hes a genius but it seems quite doable. I mean even during my half year of cs bachelors courses i took to get into the master i did have to do a graphics course and another on image processing.
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