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Teen arrested for ranking looks of classmates on Facebook.

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Re: Teen arrested for ranking looks of classmates on Facebook.

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post #18

Makes sense, actually. > The list ranked 50 female students and in describing them, rated their body parts and used racial slurs. The teen also is being accused of printing out the list and passing it around during lunch periods at the high school on Jan. 14, the Tribune reported. ie, creating and distributing what amounts to hate-speech. This goes much further than a hot-or-not list, rather definitively landing on t…

Does the 1st amendment only apply to nice-speech?

Re: Teen arrested for ranking looks of classmates on Facebook.

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post #18

Makes sense, actually. > The list ranked 50 female students and in describing them, rated their body parts and used racial slurs. The teen also is being accused of printing out the list and passing it around during lunch periods at the high school on Jan. 14, the Tribune reported. ie, creating and distributing what amounts to hate-speech. This goes much further than a hot-or-not list, rather definitively landing on t…

Hate speech is constitutionally protected in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._A._V._v._City_of_St._Paul

Re: Teen arrested for ranking looks of classmates on Facebook.

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post #19

I've got to assume that the headline is wrong; it's not the Facebook page that got him into trouble, but that he passed his list around while at school. I think there's no question that comments on a Facebook page are protected speech.

What's the difference between a person handing out printed pages and a server handing out data?

I think the key is actually the difference between a person handing out printed pages and a person handing out printed pages at school.

Re: Teen arrested for ranking looks of classmates on Facebook.

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post #4

So, instead of cracking down drug dealers and gangs they decide to arrest a minor for making a list of how hot/ugly the girls are at his school? Glad to see the police force there is hard at work.

If you draw some line and say "we are only going to work on crimes more serious than this", you are in effect saying that anyone is free to do the crimes that don't make the cut.

That would be a pretty crappy society in which to live. It's much better to devote some effort to the less serious crimes too. The more serious ones should be the priority.

Re: Teen arrested for ranking looks of classmates on Facebook.

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post #22
post #18

Makes sense, actually. > The list ranked 50 female students and in describing them, rated their body parts and used racial slurs. The teen also is being accused of printing out the list and passing it around during lunch periods at the high school on Jan. 14, the Tribune reported. ie, creating and distributing what amounts to hate-speech. This goes much further than a hot-or-not list, rather definitively landing on t…

Hate speech is constitutionally protected in the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._A._V._v._City_of_St._Paul

I was a judicial clerk on the Minnesota Supreme Court when it ruled on that case. If I remember correctly [checking references, I see I do], the United States Supreme Court reversed the Minnesota Supreme Court in that case, being especially zealous to guard federally guaranteed individual rights.

Re: Teen arrested for ranking looks of classmates on Facebook.

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post #4

So, instead of cracking down drug dealers and gangs they decide to arrest a minor for making a list of how hot/ugly the girls are at his school? Glad to see the police force there is hard at work.

existence of drug dealers and gangs supports and promotes the police force and power increase. Getting habit of freely expressing your non conformist opinions is a path to subversion of existing power (dis)balance.

Really? You think this is part of a careful long-term plan, motivated by a fundamental characteristic of municipal power structure?

I would lean toward 'officer applying vaguely worded rules to make the law behave as he feels it ought to', but yours is certainly easier to get behind. Fuck the man!

Re: Teen arrested for ranking looks of classmates on Facebook.

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post #2

While his expulsion is completely expected, arresting him? Really?

A lot of misdemeanor language is intentionally vague, to allow for officer interpretation of the situation. As in every walk of life, some take that liberty further than others.

The justice system is designed to handle this sort of misapplication intelligently, it probably won't come to anything.

Re: Teen arrested for ranking looks of classmates on Facebook.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10AeyTCeZJM

  Mark Zuckerberg: I need you. 
  Eduardo Saverin: I'm here for you. 
  Mark Zuckerberg: No, I need the algorithm you used to rank chess players. 
  Eduardo Saverin: Are you OK? 
  Mark Zuckerberg: We're ranking girls.
Some get billions while others get arrested... yeah, I'm being cheeky.

Re: Teen arrested for ranking looks of classmates on Facebook.

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post #13
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the contestants are entered against their will and described using racial slurs? The charge in this case was unreasonable, but on the other hand so was the kid's behaviour. If a TV show did pick on fifty random women from the street and start pointing out the flaws in their appearances then people would be rightfully upset about that too...

Offensive and illegal are distinct concepts. Being offensive isn't against the law - if it were, there are plenty of racial supremacists who are far higher priority arrests than some kid playing Facemash.

I don't see how you and the comment your are responding to are in disagreement.

Edit: Since people feel the need to downvote, I'll go into detail...

  > The charge in this case was unreasonable, but on the other hand so was the
  > kid's behaviour.
Translation: The kid shouldn't have been arrested, but it's also not like he was minding his own business when a bunch of government goons just decided to randomly pick on him either.

  > If a TV show did pick on fifty random women from the street and start
  > pointing out the flaws in their appearances then people would be rightfully
  > upset about that too...
Translation: There is a difference between people volunteering themselves to be judged (and possibly trashed) in public, and someone who has not volunteered (and would rather not participate in such a thing).

Note that none of these things promotes the idea that offensive and illegal are married concepts.

Re: Teen arrested for ranking looks of classmates on Facebook.

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post #24
post #4

So, instead of cracking down drug dealers and gangs they decide to arrest a minor for making a list of how hot/ugly the girls are at his school? Glad to see the police force there is hard at work.

If you draw some line and say "we are only going to work on crimes more serious than this", you are in effect saying that anyone is free to do the crimes that don't make the cut. That would be a pretty crappy society in which to live. It's much better to devote some effort to the less serious crimes too. The more serious ones should be the priority.

Reasonable point; but I think one should draw a line between things that obviously are crimes, and offenses that stretch the definition of 'crime' beyond recognition, as in this case.
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