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Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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Great article. If Boeing won't install them and flight crews can't use them, is there anything stopping normal passengers from bringing detection equipment in their carry on luggage?

CO detectors are very compact and could be taken on board with the hand luggage.

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

#42

Fume events are the dark belly of the aviation industry. The stuff used to lubricate turbofan engines is incredibly toxic when breathed in, literally orders of magnitude more potent than simple kerosene fumes.

Do you have any idea what that lubricant is?

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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post #37

Great article. If Boeing won't install them and flight crews can't use them, is there anything stopping normal passengers from bringing detection equipment in their carry on luggage?

The TSA might have something to say about carrying unusual electronics into a airplane

Reminds me of this:

> Belgian police has blocked off a part of downtown Brussels over a man wearing a thick coat with wires hanging out of it. The suspect turned out to be a radiation student doing research.

https://www.dw.com/en/radiation-student-raises-fake-bomb-ale...

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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post #37

Great article. If Boeing won't install them and flight crews can't use them, is there anything stopping normal passengers from bringing detection equipment in their carry on luggage?

The TSA might have something to say about carrying unusual electronics into a airplane

If the battery of the detector is not too big, there should be no problem. I did bring an oscilloscope (with probes and all) and lot of other electronics with no issues. The only piece of electronics TSA checked longly was a half broken laptop with no battery. This really intrigued them (so it got re xrayed and the full strip test plus hands and clothes).

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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> An internal Boeing memo described it as a “risk” to give air sensors to even one airline, according to a deposition of a Boeing executive. > “Flight attendant, pilot unions, and congressional supporters could use this effort as evidence that sensors are needed and ... to drive their agenda forward to have bleed air sensors required on all aircraft,” said the 2015 memo, which Boeing turned over in litigation. > Boei…

Seems like they are intentionally asking for regulation, saying they have absolutely no consensus mechanism to do what is necessary until Congress forces them to

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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Does anyone else have a hard time putting up with flying (pre-pandemic) recently? 20 years ago I used to fly without any issue but since they've made the seats smaller, the food somehow got worse and the TSA pre-boarding eats another hour of time I wouldn't have spent in the airport. I recently started trying to fly business class to actually arrive at my destination like a functioning human being and not anxious/sic…

The US needs a more substantial train system. Sleeper cars are refreshing and train travel is extremely enjoyable.

There just isn't the population density in about 90% of the US.

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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> An internal Boeing memo described it as a “risk” to give air sensors to even one airline, according to a deposition of a Boeing executive. > “Flight attendant, pilot unions, and congressional supporters could use this effort as evidence that sensors are needed and ... to drive their agenda forward to have bleed air sensors required on all aircraft,” said the 2015 memo, which Boeing turned over in litigation. > Boei…

At every turn, Boeing is making it very hard to not commit to flying AirBus.

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

#49

> An internal Boeing memo described it as a “risk” to give air sensors to even one airline, according to a deposition of a Boeing executive. > “Flight attendant, pilot unions, and congressional supporters could use this effort as evidence that sensors are needed and ... to drive their agenda forward to have bleed air sensors required on all aircraft,” said the 2015 memo, which Boeing turned over in litigation. > Boei…

At every turn, Boeing is making it very hard to not commit to flying AirBus.

JetBlue and Delta (soon) are all Airbus fleets if that helps.

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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OBOGS is supposed to be a relatively mature technology at this point, but many military aircraft have had significant issues with it over the last decade or so, and it's interesting to see similar issues crop up in civilian aircraft. I'm kinda mind-blown that the air quality isn't monitored on passenger aircraft, because the military has been doing it for decades.

OBOGS is terrible. We fly OBOGS and non OBOGS aircraft of the same type. Everytime I fly OBOGS I cough all day. Liquid Oxygen - it's great.
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