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Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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post #11

Sounds like the Dreamliner is the only plane designed to avoid this problem. Oddly the article hardly mentions Airbus, so it isn't clear to what degree their planes suffer this problem. And I wonder why European regulators aren't addressing this issue (which seems implied by the article).

The article states (and I have heard this independently) that the Boeing 787 is the only aircraft which does not use engine bleed air to provide air to the pressurization and air conditioning system.

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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post #20

I've heard people say they feel different when they fly on 787s. I wonder if this is why. On another note, I'm more concerned with the toxic gases coming out of people sitting next to me.

The 787 also pressurizes the cabin to a lower altitude. Most aircraft pressurize to an altitude of 8,000 ft (~2,438m). The 787 pressurizes to 6,000 feet (~1,828m), which is a noticeable difference - it's like being in Denver vs. higher up on a mountain. Your blood oxygen concentrations will be higher as a result.

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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Does anyone else have a hard time putting up with flying (pre-pandemic) recently? 20 years ago I used to fly without any issue but since they've made the seats smaller, the food somehow got worse and the TSA pre-boarding eats another hour of time I wouldn't have spent in the airport. I recently started trying to fly business class to actually arrive at my destination like a functioning human being and not anxious/sic…

The US needs a more substantial train system. Sleeper cars are refreshing and train travel is extremely enjoyable.

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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To be honest, even just the amount of jetfuel fumes you take in while on board waiting to push off the from the gate bothers the hell out of me. I think that's just because the jetway connector mostly has unconditioned exterior air and with the door open, that makes its way into the cabin, but it can be very nauseating.

I can only agree that it's nauseating. One time on a trip from Copenhagen to Munich it was so unbearable that I had to throw up. I've told about a dozen friends about this when I got home. While all of them found it very unpleasant, only one other person had to be sick.

I feel a million times healthier after losing my airport ramp job earlier this year.

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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OBOGS is supposed to be a relatively mature technology at this point, but many military aircraft have had significant issues with it over the last decade or so, and it's interesting to see similar issues crop up in civilian aircraft. I'm kinda mind-blown that the air quality isn't monitored on passenger aircraft, because the military has been doing it for decades.

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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I once actually briefly lost consciousness in my seat after boarding due to fumes coming in with the bleed air. I had some other things going on at the time and was physically and mentally burned out, but still as a more or less healthy young man I passed out in a plane seat for a few seconds largely because of the bad air.

I never thought to say or do anything about it.

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Great article. If Boeing won't install them and flight crews can't use them, is there anything stopping normal passengers from bringing detection equipment in their carry on luggage?

The TSA might have something to say about carrying unusual electronics into a airplane

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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post #33
post #19

Does anyone else have a hard time putting up with flying (pre-pandemic) recently? 20 years ago I used to fly without any issue but since they've made the seats smaller, the food somehow got worse and the TSA pre-boarding eats another hour of time I wouldn't have spent in the airport. I recently started trying to fly business class to actually arrive at my destination like a functioning human being and not anxious/sic…

The US needs a more substantial train system. Sleeper cars are refreshing and train travel is extremely enjoyable.

Sleeper cars are better than an airplane seat, but I wouldn't call them refreshing. The beds are narrow, firm, heat/AC is a crapshoot, and train noises and movement can keep you awake.

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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post #19

Does anyone else have a hard time putting up with flying (pre-pandemic) recently? 20 years ago I used to fly without any issue but since they've made the seats smaller, the food somehow got worse and the TSA pre-boarding eats another hour of time I wouldn't have spent in the airport. I recently started trying to fly business class to actually arrive at my destination like a functioning human being and not anxious/sic…

We travel around 300 miles pretty regularly to visit family. Over the years we’ve tried almost every form of transportation: train, renting a car, flying, dirt cheap buses, very fancy buses.

Bang for the buck, I’d say our preference became car, train, fancy bus, flying, bad bus.

They all pretty much take the same time, door to door, because the airports are not particularly accessible from our starting point and destination.

The key factors were autonomy and punctuality. If the train or bus hit traffic or broke down, you were totally screwed. Sometimes for hours. If the car hit traffic, we stopped for dinner. The plane is the most expensive, and provides some of the worst experiences of the three. They were rarely late, but really made you suffer for the price.

I never thought I’d become a car person, and yet here I am!

Re: Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes

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I have no idea what that site is meant to be but it doesn't work on FF/Linux. There is only a headline and a no-sound not-telling-me-anything video... EDIT: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-17/how-we-i... Seems to be a link to the actual article? Or a different article related to it?

OP worked for me with FF/Noscript/Ublock/Linux
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