Foia request fume events
That's the great benefit (for the airline/manufacturer) of not having detectors -- there aren't proper records of fume events to foia
Toxic fumes seep into the air you breathe on planes
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#22Is bleed air the only air intake for cabin?
Couldn't they just go down to <10,000ft and depressurise thus allowing atmospheric air in?
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#23Does anyone else have a hard time putting up with flying (pre-pandemic) recently? 20 years ago I used to fly without any issue but since they've made the seats smaller, the food somehow got worse and the TSA pre-boarding eats another hour of time I wouldn't have spent in the airport. I recently started trying to fly business class to actually arrive at my destination like a functioning human being and not anxious/sic…
You're not alone.
I used to actually really enjoy flying but the experience has severely degraded over the years. My chief complaints are insanely tight seat density, shitty food / flight amenities, and a terrible boarding process.
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#24Fumes reportedly killed a pilot in 2012
https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/08/ba-pilot-died-inhaling-toxic-...
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#25> An internal Boeing memo described it as a “risk” to give air sensors to even one airline, according to a deposition of a Boeing executive.
> “Flight attendant, pilot unions, and congressional supporters could use this effort as evidence that sensors are needed and ... to drive their agenda forward to have bleed air sensors required on all aircraft,” said the 2015 memo, which Boeing turned over in litigation.
> Boeing told The Times that it has not equipped its planes with air sensors because suppliers have not “demonstrated the existence” of devices that could “reliably detect contaminated bleed air.” The company said in a statement that scientific studies have not proved a link between fume events and health problems. “The cabin air inside Boeing airplanes is safe,” the company said.
Thanks Boeing
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#26Fume events are the dark belly of the aviation industry. The stuff used to lubricate turbofan engines is incredibly toxic when breathed in, literally orders of magnitude more potent than simple kerosene fumes.
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#27I've heard people say they feel different when they fly on 787s. I wonder if this is why. On another note, I'm more concerned with the toxic gases coming out of people sitting next to me.
Like, farts?
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#28The whole airport-and-airplanes experience always leaves me feeling like crap. Like I have the flu. My friends report similarly. I figured it's common knowledge. Plastic vapors. Bad food. Weird solvents. Toxic af.
Airport food varies pretty wildly. SFO and PVG are terrible. LAX is bad. HKG is good. SEA is great.
The food in SFO’s international terminal is excellent.
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#29Sounds like the Dreamliner is the only plane designed to avoid this problem. Oddly the article hardly mentions Airbus, so it isn't clear to what degree their planes suffer this problem. And I wonder why European regulators aren't addressing this issue (which seems implied by the article).
http://viewfromthewing.com/is-airbus-doing-enough-to-stop-th...
Apparently to a similar degree. It seems that the European airlines are doing a good job (DHL, Lufthansa) as mentioned in the article about mandating this stuff.
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#30To be honest, even just the amount of jetfuel fumes you take in while on board waiting to push off the from the gate bothers the hell out of me. I think that's just because the jetway connector mostly has unconditioned exterior air and with the door open, that makes its way into the cabin, but it can be very nauseating.
I can only agree that it's nauseating. One time on a trip from Copenhagen to Munich it was so unbearable that I had to throw up.
I've told about a dozen friends about this when I got home. While all of them found it very unpleasant, only one other person had to be sick.