Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone • Hacker News Board

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by m463 » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 9:15 PM UTC

Valkhyr wrote: post #47

m463 wrote: post #36

> It too has kill-switches, but these are not easy to access on the side of the phone and instead are inside the case of the phone. Ha, I can't help but think this is something linux folks won't even think twice about. :)

Hmm, I would not underestimate the convenience of having them out the outside easily accessible, especially when you consider that switching off radios at the moment should also help with battery consumption? (<- this is an assumption; I don't own either device and cannot test this)

Ha, I meant linux folks don't mind inconveniences like having to recompile the kernel, like having to use jtag and having the take the back off to access switches. :)

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by Const-me » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 1:30 PM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #120

Const-me wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One gonna need at least a few grands worth of strange equipment normally used by people who repair electronics (the strange equipment used by manufacturers costs millions). Having prior experience with these tools is recommended. Another obstacle is 3d printed case, phones need both high precision and high strength, AFAIK many 3d printers/materials lack at least one of these properties. Still it looks doable, and app…

You can certainly do microsoldering in $1000 area now. Not sure about BGA as I have not done those, but I can imagine an oven wouldn't cost more than $1000 as well. There are so many affordable tools available now, it is within reach to build your own phone.

Phones are small, you gonna need a microscope or at least a magnifier with good lighting. BGA is not too hard but you need these laser-cut reballing stencils, ideally not universal but specific to particular chips. AFAIK lead-free solder is very hard to do at home, to use leaded solder you gonna need a setup with good ventilation.

If the goal is to make just a single phone, and you don’t already own all that stuff, I’m afraid the required equipment is going to be above $1000. Maybe if you live in China will be cheaper, but not for the rest of the world.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by JetSpiegel » Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 1:11 AM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #41

freeopinion wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump just fought China with tariffs. That is not the answer and I don't think is one of the "obvious solutions" referenced. Let me put it this way... Should we allow a factory in Indiana to avoid environmental regulation if they just pay a 30% tariff? Is it ok to have a 5% mortality rate at a factory in Alabama if they pay a 60% tariff? Should U.S. companies be allowed to just pay fees to become exempt from FDA/EPA/…

> Should we allow a factory in Indiana to avoid environmental regulation if they just pay a 30% tariff? There are problems that tariffs are a solution to, like currency manipulation. Lack of environmental rules is not really one of those problems. > The answer is to ban them just like we should ban U.S.-made products that don't follow the rules. The real problem is that there are two problems, which currently sort of…

> The first problem is that the existing rules in the US are effective but prohibitively burdensome

Is this an argument to repeal the XIII Amendment in the US?