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Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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People throwing out "processed food" as some catch-all term for packaged stuff that is bad for you is a major pet peeve of mine.

Yes, foods that are pre-packaged tend not to be good for you. You _should_ eat fresh foods and vegetables.

But saying that all "processed" foods are bad for you is a gross oversimplifcation that promotes ignorance about nutrition.

In the many conversations I've had about processed foods, people never seem to be talking about things like milk, yogurt, or cheese, all of which undergo _heavy_ processing.

And to provide a direct comparison, generally speaking, a glass of Soylent is going to be way more beneficial to you nutritionally than a plate of crappy iceberg lettuce with a little salad dressing on it. Although you could make the case that if you're extremely overweight, maybe the iceberg lettuce is better just for the lower calorie content.

Not all things that come in packages are created equal. Some "processed" foods are better for you than some vegetables. But like anything else, moderation is key. Your diet needs to be diverse.

Instead of telling people "processed foods bad hurr durr", teach them about the major nutrients the body needs and where you can get those. Then, consider that person's individual circumstances to offer them specific advice. Not all bodies are the same. Some people are going to need more of one food or another. Some people will tolerate certain foods less well than others.

Nutrition is complex. Indicting "processed foods", whatever that means (their definition does little to reduce ambiguity), is as egregious as the corporate capture of nutrition that they claim to be shining a light on.

Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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This statistic from the article is mind-boggling:

> Ultra-processed products now account for nearly half of the average dietary intake of some high income countries, with consumption rising rapidly in most other countries.

Note that they aren't just referring to processed foods. They classify ultra-processed foods as a step beyond what we typically think of as processed foods:

> Ultra-processed foods and beverages can be defined as products with additives and industrially processed ingredients that have been technologically broken down and modified. They are not merely processed foods with high levels of sugar, salt, and fat but also contain ingredients and additives not commonly used in home kitchens and artisanal restaurants

I wish we put more emphasis on educating young people about basic cooking and nutrition. There's a common misconception that people reach for ultra-processed foods because they're cheaper, but in my experience most people prefer these foods because they think it's more convenient.

For many people, the idea of cooking a meal has been elevated to a special occasion event, as a treat or a date night. This is partially due to the fact that boring, everyday meal recipes just aren't as flashy as a 15-ingredient, hour long recipe that results in a stunning picture for someone's blog or instagram. Everyone should learn how to cook some boring, staple meals using basic ingredients from the store. It's amazing how many people don't know how easy and cheap it can be to prepare simple crock pot or stir-fry meals that are healthy and delicious.

Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

#13
The article states that :

Ultra-processed products now account for nearly half of the average dietary intake of some high income countries, with consumption rising rapidly in most other countries.

I've never lived for more than 1-2 months in any of these "high income countries". What does it mean to consume "ultra-processed" food? Can someone give an example how the daily dietary intake can be 50% processed foods? What do you eat for that?

Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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Does anyone have information on the impact and credibility of the publication (BMJ)? I'm a complete layperson in nutritional science so even though this speaks to me as a genuinely important perspective when it comes the bias of nutritional science I'd like to know if this is going to have any influence in the future. Additionally, how does this affect common meal replacements like soylent, huel, etc? Can we trust th…

One of the most prestigious general medical journals in the world.

Yes- I just checked its impact factor, looks like it’s in the top 40, across all journals, not just medicine.

Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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The article states that : Ultra-processed products now account for nearly half of the average dietary intake of some high income countries, with consumption rising rapidly in most other countries. I've never lived for more than 1-2 months in any of these "high income countries". What does it mean to consume "ultra-processed" food? Can someone give an example how the daily dietary intake can be 50% processed foods? Wh…

> What does it mean to consume "ultra-processed" food?

Something like a snickers bar or packaged saltines maybe?

> Can someone give an example how the daily dietary intake can be 50% processed foods? What do you eat for that?

I mean, clif bars would count, for one. If you ate plain chocolate bars for 50% of your calories you'd probably overeat but... many people do!

Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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post #13

The article states that : Ultra-processed products now account for nearly half of the average dietary intake of some high income countries, with consumption rising rapidly in most other countries. I've never lived for more than 1-2 months in any of these "high income countries". What does it mean to consume "ultra-processed" food? Can someone give an example how the daily dietary intake can be 50% processed foods? Wh…

Almost anything from a fast food restaurant, or in a box that you microwave, or in a use-once bag / single-serve container is considered ultra-processed. These tend to be a lot less expensive (because making them is much more efficient for the manufacturer) than regular foods, and are more readily available and time-convenient when compared to other foods.

That's how you can easily get to 50% or more of your daily intake with them. If you're already short on time, or if you have several family members at home who need to be fed quickly, or if you have a lower income and cannot easily afford fresh food items and the utensils with which to prepare them, you will buy and eat lots of ultra-processed foods.

Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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post #13

The article states that : Ultra-processed products now account for nearly half of the average dietary intake of some high income countries, with consumption rising rapidly in most other countries. I've never lived for more than 1-2 months in any of these "high income countries". What does it mean to consume "ultra-processed" food? Can someone give an example how the daily dietary intake can be 50% processed foods? Wh…

Breakfast: Cereal and milk. My favorite cereal is Trix.

Lunch: Sandwich made of bread, bologna, cheese, mustard. Coca-cola or chocolate milk to drink.

Dinner: TV dinner, perhaps a Lean Cuisine or Pizza rolls. Mountain Dew or Kool Aid to drink.

This was a typical day of food for me as a child and through being a teenager.

Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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They had me. I have a strong idea in my brain that a meal of chocolate bars and a healthy meal will result in same weight loss if calories are equal. Some professor lost weight eating chocolate bars!

I also assumed the public knows sodas contain a nauseating amount of sugar. How will this "research" benefit Coca Cola as a soda company?

Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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post #11

People throwing out "processed food" as some catch-all term for packaged stuff that is bad for you is a major pet peeve of mine. Yes, foods that are pre-packaged tend not to be good for you. You _should_ eat fresh foods and vegetables. But saying that all "processed" foods are bad for you is a gross oversimplifcation that promotes ignorance about nutrition. In the many conversations I've had about processed foods, pe…

Which is why the headline emphasis this is in reference to "ultra-processed" foods and they further go on to define ultra-processed as:

Ultra-processed foods and beverages can be defined as products with additives and industrially processed ingredients that have been technologically broken down and modified.7 They are not merely processed foods with high levels of sugar, salt, and fat but also contain ingredients and additives not commonly used in home kitchens and artisanal restaurants, such as synthetic flavours, emulsifiers, hydrogenated oils, and soy protein isolates. The role of these ingredients is often to simulate the taste, texture, or nutritional profile of minimally processed foods.

Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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post #13

The article states that : Ultra-processed products now account for nearly half of the average dietary intake of some high income countries, with consumption rising rapidly in most other countries. I've never lived for more than 1-2 months in any of these "high income countries". What does it mean to consume "ultra-processed" food? Can someone give an example how the daily dietary intake can be 50% processed foods? Wh…

I did wonder that same thing, this breaks it down nicely:

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-are-ultra-processed...

One example:

Corn vs Canned corn vs Corn chips

Where corn is not, canned is processed, and chips are Ultra.

My favorite example is Doritos. "Favorite" because they're soooo damn good, but sooo damn bad for me. Ultra Processed for sure.

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