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SEC charges Robinhood $65M for misleading customers about revenue sources

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Re: SEC charges Robinhood $65M for misleading customers about revenue sources

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If the SEC has gone through and has accounted for the 34 million in cost to consumers, why are they not having robinhood reimburse the customers for their lost money on the trades and then charging the additional 30 million on top for lying? Why does the SEC take all the money?

SEC doesn't work on behalf of consumers, it works on behalf of the federal government. Robinhood customers are still free to bring lawsuits against the company and those would be heard in courts.

Re: SEC charges Robinhood $65M for misleading customers about revenue sources

#32

This is probably why VC's have historically shied away from heavily regulated industries. It's just too easy for " insanely ambitious" founders to run afoul of the rules and laws. Fortunately for AirBnB, these rules and laws weren't enforced all that often.

In AirBnB's case were there actually any preexisting rules? It would seem strange to have rules in place governing short term rentals before there was really even a market for that.

In resort/vaction areas, there were (and still are) cartel like systems in place. There are also restrictions on true "BnB" or "Inns" in that they were regulated like hotels are. You are definitely on to something in that the concept of a "short term rental" market has been sort of born out of AirBnB's existence but that segment is just a cross section of a larger market that has always existed, its just mostly been serviced by larger real estate developers, boutique hoteliers, hospitality management professionals, etc.

Re: SEC charges Robinhood $65M for misleading customers about revenue sources

#34

This is probably why VC's have historically shied away from heavily regulated industries. It's just too easy for " insanely ambitious" founders to run afoul of the rules and laws. Fortunately for AirBnB, these rules and laws weren't enforced all that often.

In AirBnB's case were there actually any preexisting rules? It would seem strange to have rules in place governing short term rentals before there was really even a market for that.

Sure, lots of places had rules about operating a business in your home and regulations about operating a hotel.

Re: SEC charges Robinhood $65M for misleading customers about revenue sources

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post #16

If the SEC has gone through and has accounted for the 34 million in cost to consumers, why are they not having robinhood reimburse the customers for their lost money on the trades and then charging the additional 30 million on top for lying? Why does the SEC take all the money?

SEC can't provide retribution to customers. That's a job for the courts.

Courts don't do much good here either. Realistically, the US does not have a way to hold powerful entities to account for every day americans.

Re: SEC charges Robinhood $65M for misleading customers about revenue sources

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In AirBnB's case were there actually any preexisting rules? It would seem strange to have rules in place governing short term rentals before there was really even a market for that.

surely, you jest? A simple google search of AirBnB and illegal will more than satisfy your curiosity. And yes, a good portion of the laws broken are directly broken by the lessors, but many are also broken by AirBnB itself.

I mean laws that existed at the time AirBnB was started, which you seem to imply in your comment. I still think it's strange that the government can tell you how long of a duration you have to rent your property for, but it definitely is the law now.

Re: SEC charges Robinhood $65M for misleading customers about revenue sources

#37

If the SEC has gone through and has accounted for the 34 million in cost to consumers, why are they not having robinhood reimburse the customers for their lost money on the trades and then charging the additional 30 million on top for lying? Why does the SEC take all the money?

I don't know the answer in this specific case, but often in the case of small rewards like this, it's because administering the return of the money would consume a large fraction of it.

Why cant Robinhood cover those costs as well?

Re: SEC charges Robinhood $65M for misleading customers about revenue sources

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad truth of this is that this is just three letter agencies doing as three letter agencies does. I don't think anyone at the SEC was looking after consumers here. If they were, they would similarly investigate other brokerages with the same practices (which is many).

The SEC doesn't have infinite resources to investigate every possible case like this. As with most prosecutions, they just go after the most obvious/high-profile/egregious cases that have the highest probability of success.

That’s mostly because Congress writes the budget, and the President “spends” what is allocated to the SEC on the SEC (no surprise). So the SEC (and IRS) is/are kneecapped because Congress doesn’t give them enough money (either because they don’t want to, or the President doesn’t ask for enough).

The cynical take is that Congress profits from insider trading, tax evasion, etc. and want to prevent themselves from being investigated. Whether that’s true or not would be hard to prove.

Re: SEC charges Robinhood $65M for misleading customers about revenue sources

#39

If the SEC has gone through and has accounted for the 34 million in cost to consumers, why are they not having robinhood reimburse the customers for their lost money on the trades and then charging the additional 30 million on top for lying? Why does the SEC take all the money?

Reading the SEC order it anticipates that Robinhood will be sued by clients (I think this is already happening, which may explain why there is no disgorgment ordered here).

Disappointing since they were already fined by FINRA for Best Ex. this time last year although on further reading this seems to relate to the same time period.

Interesting that Massachusettis also announced an enforcement action against them this week.

Re: SEC charges Robinhood $65M for misleading customers about revenue sources

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know the answer in this specific case, but often in the case of small rewards like this, it's because administering the return of the money would consume a large fraction of it.

Why cant Robinhood cover those costs as well?

Presumably there are laws or regulations that dictate how much they can be fined for given behaviors by the SEC, and those laws and regulations do not cover the distribution of monies to injured parties.
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