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Re: Von Braun Class Station

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Maybe we should stop naming things after a man who was not only a nazi, but a uniform-wearing member of the SS? A future-looking project should leave such things in the past.

Von Braun Station is a technical type/design, not the project's own name. Using designers' names normal with space designs.

Lots of better names are available:

"Originally proposed by Konstantin Tsiolkovsky in 1903, the idea was expanded by Herman Potočnik in 1929."

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You merely point out a very small subset of where he was from and his employer of the time, yet zero attention to his ideals and life legacy. https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/history/vonbraun/bio.h...

> zero attention to his ideals and life legacy. the one's ideals and legacy are worth less than nothing if it is built, with the one's full awareness and willful participation, by concentration camp slaves dying in droves from malnutrition, physical abuse and the hard labor while building those ideals and legacy. > employer of the time that defense line of "i was just carrying out the orders" was explicitly addressed…

I didn't realize that concentration camp victims were building rockets?

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This video by Columbia based researchers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3D7QlMVa5s says that Coriolis acceleration induced canal sickness could be a major issue, and we don't know exactly what humans can tolerate. In the worst case scenario such torus has to be about one kilometer in diameter, which is prohibitively expensive.

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> zero attention to his ideals and life legacy. the one's ideals and legacy are worth less than nothing if it is built, with the one's full awareness and willful participation, by concentration camp slaves dying in droves from malnutrition, physical abuse and the hard labor while building those ideals and legacy. > employer of the time that defense line of "i was just carrying out the orders" was explicitly addressed…

I didn't realize that concentration camp victims were building rockets?

well they were and it was quite horrific!

> The record of Nordhausen is a most unenviable one, and we were told that 250 of the slave workers perished every day, due to overwork and malnutrition. ... They also saw stretchers heavily saturated in blood, a room in which there was a slab on which the bodies were drained of blood, and the incinerators in which the bodies were burnt.

> Wernher von Braun, the Technical Director of a separate facility at Peenemünde Army Research Center, visited the Mittelwerk on 25 January 1944,[12] and a 1991 author alleged he witnessed Mittelwerk and Buchenwald war crimes.[6]

but by all means name this space station after the guy who ran the whole operation and claimed to have no idea. because they just can't think of a single person besides him!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelwerk

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Maybe we should stop naming things after a man who was not only a nazi, but a uniform-wearing member of the SS? A future-looking project should leave such things in the past.

Once ze rockets go up, who cares where they come down? Zat's not my department, says Werner Von Braun.

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> zero attention to his ideals and life legacy. the one's ideals and legacy are worth less than nothing if it is built, with the one's full awareness and willful participation, by concentration camp slaves dying in droves from malnutrition, physical abuse and the hard labor while building those ideals and legacy. > employer of the time that defense line of "i was just carrying out the orders" was explicitly addressed…

I didn't realize that concentration camp victims were building rockets?

The V2 was built using slave labor at Mittelwerk. 250 workers perished per day at some points and their bodies were incinerated. The entire factory was built underground to escape allied bombing. It is hard to imagine a more horrible place. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelwerk

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This video by Columbia based researchers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3D7QlMVa5s says that Coriolis acceleration induced canal sickness could be a major issue, and we don't know exactly what humans can tolerate. In the worst case scenario such torus has to be about one kilometer in diameter, which is prohibitively expensive.

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This video by Columbia based researchers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3D7QlMVa5s says that Coriolis acceleration induced canal sickness could be a major issue, and we don't know exactly what humans can tolerate. In the worst case scenario such torus has to be about one kilometer in diameter, which is prohibitively expensive.

I once made napkin calculations that for 1g "gravitation" a station even about 50 meters in diameter would introduce coriolis force so great you'll have a lot of trouble even trying to stand up from a chair.

Re: Von Braun Class Station

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This video by Columbia based researchers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3D7QlMVa5s says that Coriolis acceleration induced canal sickness could be a major issue, and we don't know exactly what humans can tolerate. In the worst case scenario such torus has to be about one kilometer in diameter, which is prohibitively expensive.

though, station doesn't have to be a torus. Zubrin said something about two starships chained together with a loong cable. That could work.
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