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Re: 4k 144Hz no longer available after upgrade to Big Sur

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Post by ehutch79 »

charleslmunger wrote: post #76
ehutch79 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly are you doing that macOS being locked down is a problem? Despite the fact you can turn things like SIP off if you need to? I ask because most of the time the answers are vague or sketchy. There are legit answers. However, usually it's along the lines of installing a game they torrented that's trying to load keylogger.kext and failing. or 'I just don't like it, so it shouldn't exist' Those lock down parts…

Not the op, but I was shocked to see how much effort was required to disable mouse acceleration on a mac. Dragging the slider to 0 doesn't do it. Editing the plist doesn't do it. You need to install some custom mouse driver with kernel extensions to have 1:1 mouse movement.

What's the use case here?

Re: 4k 144Hz no longer available after upgrade to Big Sur

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Post by joshstrange »

bombcar wrote: post #66
ActorNightly wrote: post #24

Even before Big Sur, the output to external monitors on MPBs was buggy as hell. My 2019 one wakes up from sleep, and its a 50/50 chance on the external monitor output working, causing me to have to unplug and replug the cable to get it to output.

I've been using https://github.com/jakehilborn/displayplacer and it helps with some of it - one monitor would wake from sleep sideways

+1 for displayplacer. I use it for 4 external monitors (2 vertical) and it's a god-send. I also recommend people look into software to move their app windows into prefered locations. I use Phoenix [0] to resize/place my windows in their designated spots when I hit a hotkey. I tried stuff like Stay [1] and a few other similar tools that I forget the names of but they didn't work well or at least didn't work well on a multi-monitor setup. Phoenix required a little more up-front work but now it works perfectly for my needs.

[0] https://github.com/kasper/phoenix

[1] https://cordlessdog.com/stay/

Re: 4k 144Hz no longer available after upgrade to Big Sur

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Post by teach »

p1necone wrote: post #64
teach wrote: post #55

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This is like asking "Which is the best automobile?" It depends a lot on personal preference and what you want to use it for. (Families with a lot of kids need something like a minivan, some people need a truck with huge towing capacity, some people want good gas mileage, etc.) My personal opinions: * Ubuntu - when you want something well-supported and everything usually just works out of the box * Pop!_OS - same as a…

Is Pop!_OS better than Ubuntu for gaming? Given that the officially supported distro for Steam is whatever the latest LTS version of Ubuntu is I would assume that would be the way to go. (FWIW I'm using Arch and have found Steam support to be pretty seamless, apart from needing to install PulseAudio as bare ALSA had issues.)

I've never used Pop!_OS but I've heard that it takes the "Just Works" polish of Ubuntu in general and extends that to proprietary video card drivers.

For an absolute beginner, it's probably better for gaming. For people who already know what they're doing, it's probably not a noticeably better gaming experience.

Re: 4k 144Hz no longer available after upgrade to Big Sur

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Post by BluePen8 »

ehutch79 wrote: post #74

When I see these articles, I tend to wonder if anyone has actually filed any bug reports about this.

I have, they literally just don't reply.

Although losing some of your Hz sucks, the one that's driving me insane is the bug when you have an external both vertical and scaled.

The cursor position seems to display relative to the next scaling option up (or two), so that means it's off by more the further it gets from the top left corner. It disappears altogether in the bottom or rightmost 10% of the screen.

It has basically rendered my vertical 4k monitor unusable, unless I try and read tiny text, or scale it so big it's equivalent to a very crisp 1080p monitor.

Same with the issue I have with notes, if you edit the same note from both iOS and MacOS, you'll find yourself with invisible lines pretty quick. Also no reply.

Re: 4k 144Hz no longer available after upgrade to Big Sur

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Post by reitzensteinm »

ehutch79 wrote: post #81
charleslmunger wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the op, but I was shocked to see how much effort was required to disable mouse acceleration on a mac. Dragging the slider to 0 doesn't do it. Editing the plist doesn't do it. You need to install some custom mouse driver with kernel extensions to have 1:1 mouse movement.

What's the use case here?

This is the kind of thing I mean, though.

The Windows UI is shockingly tweakable. You can buy programs to do all sorts of things, e.g. multi monitor assistants.

With OS X, Apple's way is fantastic, but if you want to step outside it you're in trouble.

The Unix underlying OS X was strictly superior, although now there's WSL it's much less of an advantage.

Re: 4k 144Hz no longer available after upgrade to Big Sur

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Post by ehutch79 »

reitzensteinm wrote: post #85
ehutch79 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the use case here?

This is the kind of thing I mean, though. The Windows UI is shockingly tweakable. You can buy programs to do all sorts of things, e.g. multi monitor assistants. With OS X, Apple's way is fantastic, but if you want to step outside it you're in trouble. The Unix underlying OS X was strictly superior, although now there's WSL it's much less of an advantage.

Yeah, but what is the use case here? I mean, the author pointed out that it's possible to do, but who needs to do this and why?

Re: 4k 144Hz no longer available after upgrade to Big Sur

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Post by reitzensteinm »

ehutch79 wrote: post #86
reitzensteinm wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the kind of thing I mean, though. The Windows UI is shockingly tweakable. You can buy programs to do all sorts of things, e.g. multi monitor assistants. With OS X, Apple's way is fantastic, but if you want to step outside it you're in trouble. The Unix underlying OS X was strictly superior, although now there's WSL it's much less of an advantage.

Yeah, but what is the use case here? I mean, the author pointed out that it's possible to do, but who needs to do this and why?

I don't know. I think GP is nuts. But when I have my own weird use case I expect people to think I'm nuts, too.

Re: 4k 144Hz no longer available after upgrade to Big Sur

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Post by krono »

FireBeyond wrote: post #2

Happened to me. With Catalina, my Mac Pro (2019, W5700X) was able to drive 2 LG 27GN950-B 27" monitors at 4K, 144Hz, HDR. Under Big Sur? 60Hz only, for HDR, or 95Hz without HDR. It seems Display Stream Compression (DSC) is broken in Big Sur, including 11.1, including for some Apple display users. For other users, doesn't matter the display, the GPU, or the cable, this seems broken. Apple gets bit (again) by the WFM b…

I'm still on Catalina and the external ultrawide LG monitor that's directly connected through Thunderbolt to my 16" MacBook Pro runs fine at only 60hz with its lid closed... The constant sound of an F35's VTOL engine right next to me all day long can't be good though

Re: 4k 144Hz no longer available after upgrade to Big Sur

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Post by ehutch79 »

reitzensteinm wrote: post #87
ehutch79 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but what is the use case here? I mean, the author pointed out that it's possible to do, but who needs to do this and why?

I don't know. I think GP is nuts. But when I have my own weird use case I expect people to think I'm nuts, too.

That's kind of the point though?

It's nuts, but you can still manage to do it. Maybe a handful of people would ever actually need to do it, so why would it be a default, or even an option people might accidently set?

Re: 4k 144Hz no longer available after upgrade to Big Sur

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Post by washadjeffmad »

antjanus wrote: post #40
ActorNightly wrote: post #24

Even before Big Sur, the output to external monitors on MPBs was buggy as hell. My 2019 one wakes up from sleep, and its a 50/50 chance on the external monitor output working, causing me to have to unplug and replug the cable to get it to output.

I just got my first macbook in years. I legit thought something was wrong with my monitor (even though it works perfectly with my Windows desktop and my Linux laptop). So it's Big Sur??

I read that as Bug Sir, but I'm a little sleep deprived.

Apple announced MST support back during Sierra, and we still can't daisy chain on USB-C. Have to run each display to separate TB3 ports.

What I haven't tried is daisy chaining running Linux on a T2 Mac, which I don't know is possible yet. My enthusiasm for Apple's Intel-based hardware tapped out around 2014, though, so I'm calling anything pre-M1 a wash.

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