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Firefox Was Always Enough

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Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by MBlume »

curryst wrote: post #449
ygjb wrote: post #428

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It's weird that when I tell my kids that when they want to help, but they won't help in the way that someone needs help, that they aren't actually helping, they understand it. Mozilla has buckets of money, between the Corporation and the Foundation. They are separate, for good-ish reasons? But they are separate. If they start allowing customers or businesses to pay for Firefox, then they will have to provide an entir…

> support Mozilla's mission and Firefox development. That's the rub here. Mozilla's mission is a much larger scope than just Firefox. Some people want to support Firefox, but don't want to donate to Mozilla's mission. One such reason is because it's important to have more than one browser implementation. There's no way to support that without Mozilla allocating some portion of your donation to some unrelated part of…

Ok but now you're asking for something weirder and more restrictive than "paying for firefox", right? If I buy a laptop from Lenovo I don't get to say oh I don't want to pay for tablet development, I just want all of this money to go to your laptop division.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by floatingatoll »

toyg wrote: post #308
tmottabr wrote: post #286

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Never seen any indication that it isn't. I use it for a few years already and never had any problem. i like it more than pockets. https://raindrop.io/

Ah ok, so this is not Mozilla Raindrop. Thanks for the clarification.

For others wondering:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Raindrop

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by floatingatoll »

atombender wrote: post #382
laumars wrote: post #318

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Firefox is a great deal more privacy focused than Safari when you start factoring in containers. I also wouldn’t trust Apple to stick to their privacy mission long term. It’s a marketing strategy that they seemingly care about at the moment but it’s supplementary to their core demographics so who’s to say they stick with this vision long term? I’m less concerned about the same happening with Firefox. > In 10 - 15 yea…

The problem with Firefox containers is that it requires micromanaging your web browsing. I'm sure it's nice for people who obsess about privacy, but it's not something that the general user population is going to adopt. I think the right approach, ultimately, would be compartmentalize all web sites, but that's not feasible right now.

Does Alexa still maintain their list of categorizations of the top N million websites?

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by tjoff »

Brakenshire wrote: post #425
apozem wrote: post #422

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Bill Gates explained why everybody but Google and Apple failed at mobile OSes: > “In the software world, particularly for platforms, these are winner-take-all markets. So the greatest mistake ever is whatever mismanagement I engaged in that caused Microsoft not to be what Android is. That is, Android is the standard non-Apple phone platform. That was a natural thing for Microsoft to win. It really is winner take all.…

Looking at wikipedia KaiOS seems to be the second mobile OS in India now, ahead of the iPhone. I don’t think those rules apply to a system which relies of web technologies, because you have such an enormous base of developers and development infrastructure.

KaiOS is a joke though... More akin to your desk calculator than a phone that we have become accustomed to. They sell because they are cheap, not on any other merit.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by gxqoz »

himujjal wrote: post #377
gxqoz wrote: post #161

I just hope any Firefox-only developments at Mozilla won't strand Pocket, one of my favorite apps (and which I pay for).

Man. You have to be careful. Pocket has been pushing too much of political content. Specially from the left's point of view. I believe anything with a bias is bad. Right or Left. Specially such sites where people see or read. Otherwise pocket is great.

It's pretty easy to turn off any ML-generated Pocket recommendations. I wasn't even aware they were doing this given how long I've had it turned off. I'm only interested in articles I've curated myself.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by tpxl »

myfonj wrote: post #400

> Remember what was really cool in Firefox? Tabs! Ah how this resonates with me so much, I remember the difference of tabless IE and oh so magical Netscape / Firefox when those were new. I consider myself Mozilla fanboy to this days. But alas, every time I try clean installation with default settings I cannot believe how … bad this became and how far it diverged from original experience: by now Firefox is browser wit…

This is the Linux experience I find (running Ubuntu) and is also driving me crazy.

On my Windows7 installation Ctrl+Tab switches to the next tab and Ctrl+Shift+Tab switches to the previous tab. New tabs are open after the current tab.

This might be related to the window manager or the Linux build defaults?

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by Bayart »

tjoff wrote: post #454
Brakenshire wrote: post #425

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Looking at wikipedia KaiOS seems to be the second mobile OS in India now, ahead of the iPhone. I don’t think those rules apply to a system which relies of web technologies, because you have such an enormous base of developers and development infrastructure.

KaiOS is a joke though... More akin to your desk calculator than a phone that we have become accustomed to. They sell because they are cheap, not on any other merit.

Being cheap is the greatest merit of any consumer tech.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by The_rationalist »

RealityVoid wrote: post #276
deadbunny wrote: post #156

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Pretty sure there is an option to move the addressbar to the bottom in FF on Android.

I have it there by default on FF, I was talking about chrome having a worse UX on Android. Reading the original post, I admit I phrased it in a confusing way.

You can have the bar at the bottom on chrome (I don't remember the flag)

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by somezero »

cpeterso wrote: post #260
thesuitonym wrote: post #181

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I wonder why Firefox even has to beat Chrome. Wouldn't it be enough to have 30% marketshare again? Or even 10% would be enough to consider Firefox a serious competitor. Somewhere along the line we got this idea that if you're not #1 you've failed. You don't need to crush every single competitor into oblivion to be successful, you just need to succeed at what you set out to do, and in Firefox's case, isn't that just t…

> I wonder why Firefox even has to beat Chrome. In that sense, Firefox's competition is not Chrome: it's the other "non-mainstream" browsers like Chromium Edge, Brave, or Opera. What can Mozilla do to attract those users to Firefox? Google doesn't want to crush Firefox to 0% because Google profits from Firefox searches and presumably wants a non-Chromium browser to exist to avoid antitrust scrutiny regulating Chrome.

I'm probably a niche user, but better crypto and web3 support (still cannot make firefox recognize my hardware wallet on Linux). That's the singular most important reason I switched, after many years.

... It'll raise trust if they follow through their promises. Open source Pocket, yet?

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by firefix »

leeoniya wrote: post #402
vkou wrote: post #398

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Charging money for the browser will quickly push them down to single-digit marketshare, and will make "works on Chrome, ship it" the only correct way to develop for the web. If you want to pay for using their browser, you could always donate to them.

the donations never went to firefox. it was dispersed to many of their other misguided and failed revenue gen efforts. they redirected a ton of servo engineers to focus on VR/Magic leap, ffs.

Yes. The money should gone towards dev, but also testing.

According to the author, the problem contributing to this misprioritization was that “Firefox exists just to give Mozilla a seat at the table when the web is defined,” such that they didn’t care if it was the best. I doubt that’s true. Few want second, third, or fourth place. So let’s assume they wanted it to be the best. Where did it go wrong?

As much as Rust is great and FF was a great project to try it out on, I’m not convinced that FF needed a full rewrite, and in my experience there were significant problems with performance as Rust wasn’t fully there and the developers didn’t test adequately on all platforms, which they should’ve pushed more for if the funds were there.

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