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Firefox Was Always Enough

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Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by hermanradtke »

capitainenemo wrote: post #105
at-fates-hands wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I've had so many issues with the Firefox Developer edition I stopped using it and have switched to Opera for my browsing needs. Way more reliable, doesn't constantly hang and time out, and isn't a total resource hog like Firefox has become.

Speaking from personal experience doing user support in firefox IRC channel on freenode and formerly moznet, the vast majority of "resource hog" complaints are due to the user running AdBlock with a million block rules (or some similar addon). Occasionally it is a particular long running website with JS memory leaks though. Like a gmail pinned tab. In terms of performance, until recently a common issue was lack of de…

How can someone determine this? I wonder Firefox itself does not tell me the resource issues are due to an extension.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by jlokier »

the-dude wrote: post #97
xacky wrote: post #44

I have a love hate relationship with Firefox, its only major trick left is that it’s not Chromium. Making it a monopoly of the non-monopoly browsers. I tried for a while to use Waterfox and Pale Moon but they just aren’t accepted by too many websites and now even mainstream websites are locking out Firefox too.

Which sites are 'locking out' Firefox?

Some things lock out Firefox as an accident of implementation.

I don't recall which site it was for me recently, perhaps Sainsbury's, but I reached a card payment screen and it just would not accept payment - it kept getting stuck with a spinner making no progress at the payment stage. Opened exactly the same page in Safari and it worked fine quickly. Next time it happened again, and I remembered that I needed to switch browser.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by input_sh »

mrlala wrote: post #86
SmokeyHamster wrote: post #54

>The problem? Firefox’s founders are all long, long gone. Brendan and Mitchell are Mozilla’s founders. Well then, you should have thought about that before you forcibly kicked out founder Brendan Eich because you disliked his unrelated politics. You can be a woke company that belittles everyone who doesn't share your narrow ideology or a company that makes a good web browser with a sound business model. You can't be…

>forcibly kicked out founder Brendan Eich because you disliked his unrelated politics >belittles everyone who doesn't share your narrow ideology Wake up to the present. People who actively try to ban same-sex marriage are just as bad as segregation was back in the day. Calling this "narrow ideology" is preposterous. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality and they should be given the same rights as everyone else. I…

Not to mention half of Mozilla's board of directors at the time quit because of him.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by trinix912 »

buran77 wrote: post #100
falcolas wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is integrated with Google, in that it uses the Google API. However, relevant to this thread, it's not developed by Google, as Thunderbird would not be. And so Thunderbird could still provide value as such a client.

> for the average user I think this was the key. No average user I know uses an email client on their PC, outside of the corporate one. It's one more thing to take care of and average users rarely want that. It's easier on mobile where people are used with the "app" concept, not really on the PC. This is one reason why Thunderbird doesn't enjoy the kind of popularity browser based email does.

I know quite a few (older) people who are familiar with Thunerbird and use it instead of the web interface. None of them is particularly tech savvy.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by the-dude »

jlokier wrote: post #112
the-dude wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which sites are 'locking out' Firefox?

Some things lock out Firefox as an accident of implementation. I don't recall which site it was for me recently, perhaps Sainsbury's, but I reached a card payment screen and it just would not accept payment - it kept getting stuck with a spinner making no progress at the payment stage. Opened exactly the same page in Safari and it worked fine quickly. Next time it happened again, and I remembered that I needed to swi…

Are you running extensions/adblockers in FF?

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by dleslie »

yummypaint wrote: post #19
etempleton wrote: post #2

I will make the same comment I made on another post regarding Firefox and Mozilla: a few tips from from no one: 1. Rewrite the Mozilla mission statement. I read that and have no idea what your organization does. Mission statements seem like corporate naval gazing, but if it is honest and well written it keeps everyone focused on what you are working towards. 2. Refocus on Firefox R&D and core technologies - Firefox n…

Firefox is already the best browser and has been for a long time. The problem is that most laypeople don't even know it exists. Combined with dark patterns used by microsoft and google to steer users toward their own browsers, it's an uphill battle. I'll stick firefox and appropriate extensions on a friends computer so they can watch youtube etc completely ad free, which is a major tangible QOL improvement, but then…

Firefox isn't even the best browser on Linux.

On my aarch64 devices, Chromium in a Docker image loads faster, never dominates the CPU, renders video and websites faster, and has working DRM. Firefox is slower in every respect and can't render Netflix.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by _--__--__ »

rewddit wrote: post #92
SmokeyHamster wrote: post #54

>The problem? Firefox’s founders are all long, long gone. Brendan and Mitchell are Mozilla’s founders. Well then, you should have thought about that before you forcibly kicked out founder Brendan Eich because you disliked his unrelated politics. You can be a woke company that belittles everyone who doesn't share your narrow ideology or a company that makes a good web browser with a sound business model. You can't be…

Just as an FYI, Brave has done some sketchy stuff in the past, including inserting affiliate links / ads into content.

It's weird how consistent this claim is when the ad stuff (which I personally never used when I tried Brave) was always opt-in and always an advertised feature part of Brave's (possibly misguided) mission to change the landscape of internet advertising.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by lostmsu »

GordonS wrote: post #33
Miraste wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 3. Invest more in Thunderbird the application and develop Thunderbird the privacy focus email service for independent professionals and small businesses. I know Mozilla's non-Firefox projects aren't popular here, but if Thunderbird really wanted a niche in the business world Mozilla would need to start an email service to go with it. The age of non-integrated email clients for the average user ended a while ago.

I think you're spot on here. The only people using desktop mail clients are techies with multiple accounts (such as us HN users), and business users (who all use Outlook).

I am not so sure. Windows default Mail app has multiple account support quite visible.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by dleslie »

capitainenemo wrote: post #105
at-fates-hands wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I've had so many issues with the Firefox Developer edition I stopped using it and have switched to Opera for my browsing needs. Way more reliable, doesn't constantly hang and time out, and isn't a total resource hog like Firefox has become.

Speaking from personal experience doing user support in firefox IRC channel on freenode and formerly moznet, the vast majority of "resource hog" complaints are due to the user running AdBlock with a million block rules (or some similar addon). Occasionally it is a particular long running website with JS memory leaks though. Like a gmail pinned tab. In terms of performance, until recently a common issue was lack of de…

Firefox ought to have native blocking with a fast rules processing engine.

Re: Firefox Was Always Enough

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Post by jlokier »

the-dude wrote: post #115
jlokier wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some things lock out Firefox as an accident of implementation. I don't recall which site it was for me recently, perhaps Sainsbury's, but I reached a card payment screen and it just would not accept payment - it kept getting stuck with a spinner making no progress at the payment stage. Opened exactly the same page in Safari and it worked fine quickly. Next time it happened again, and I remembered that I needed to swi…

Are you running extensions/adblockers in FF?

Of course.

That payment problem is fixed now though. It was broken for a few months and is fine now.

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