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Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by baggachipz »

tolbish wrote: post #85
judge2020 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the SE 2 is also a pretty good price, it's only a generation behind in the processor department (7nm A13), has touch ID (no mask moving for face ID) and is $400 (449 for 128gb). Apple's margins for this device can't be large given the iP8 it's modeled after costed $700 at launch.

It looks fantastic. The only downside for me is that it lacks a headphone jack. How easy is it to port contacts and texts over from the Google ecosystem?

Extremely. Moving from Android to iOS was totally painless for me.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by aboringusername »

brown9-2 wrote: post #28

It’s interesting that the ad text avoids stating what the bad thing that Apple is doing: requiring apps to ask users for permission.

"Hi there. We're Facebook.

Consent is important, to not consent, could be considered rape.

That's why we want to continue data raping our users in the name of small businesses.

You see, we don't like consent, not when it limits our ability to see what you're doing any time, any where, without limits or concern.

You're taking a poo? We know.

You had a secret disloyal fling yesterday? Yeah, we were invited.

So please, let us data rape you and lobby for consent to be implied and given, even if you are begging us to remove the dick we're enjoyably thrusting inside of you.

You're wel-cum.

FB - where consent is our enemy."

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by insert_coin »

aminozuur wrote: post #44

I know my comment will get downvoted. But there's a lot of misconception about Facebook, and the other counter-arguments are worth mentioning too. Facebook does not sell our data, in fact, they keep it very secure. Facebook merely allows advertisers to target you based on your interests (which it learns from your activities). Advertisers cannot identify anyone, they just select categories for which they want their ad…

Facebook has been caught selling your data (and also giving it away for free) but most damming of all, Facebook has also been caught BUYING your data. So, if they have as policy not to sell their own data, it doesn't go both ways.

Facebook knows much more about you than your activities on facebook or facebook partners would have you believe.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

aminozuur wrote: post #44

I know my comment will get downvoted. But there's a lot of misconception about Facebook, and the other counter-arguments are worth mentioning too. Facebook does not sell our data, in fact, they keep it very secure. Facebook merely allows advertisers to target you based on your interests (which it learns from your activities). Advertisers cannot identify anyone, they just select categories for which they want their ad…

You get downvoted because user poll after poll reveal that users find "ads relevant to their interests" creepy, specially when phrased that way and specially when accompanied with web history tracking and the like.

In any case, I am sure Facebook does not sell their data. In fact, it would be suicidal for Facebook to sell their data. It's their goldmine; their only advantage. Why would they do it?

But already what they do with it _themselves_ is a problem.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by silicon2401 »

acruns wrote: post #4

This feature and fb's hate for it makes me seriously consider moving back to. iOS.

I would consider it except it often feels like iOS was designed specifically to aggravate me. I can hardly remember another interface I've used that was as painful. Is there any way to customize the UI on iOS or is it still just whatever apple decides for you? I remember jailbreaking used to be popular, not sure if people still do that

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Post by rorykoehler »

tolbish wrote: post #85
judge2020 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the SE 2 is also a pretty good price, it's only a generation behind in the processor department (7nm A13), has touch ID (no mask moving for face ID) and is $400 (449 for 128gb). Apple's margins for this device can't be large given the iP8 it's modeled after costed $700 at launch.

It looks fantastic. The only downside for me is that it lacks a headphone jack. How easy is it to port contacts and texts over from the Google ecosystem?

You can get a mobile Bluetooth transmitter/receiver so you can still use your cabled headphones.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by bonoboTP »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #77
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh. The more I think about this the more complicated it becomes. I think most people would be pretty ok saying "I'm a part of a classic car community on Facebook, so I get ads on Facebook for classic car things". I think people would be less ok with "I played a game on my phone while standing in an auto shop. Now I'm getting car ads on my news site because game accessed my location, shared with facebook, who then sh…

>I don't know how to make these different use cases clear without having pages and pages of explanation that nobody will read. Expose the logic. Put a "?" Icon button on the add that lists every data point used in the decision making process, who collected the data, when, and how. E.g: 1.1.2020 @ Starbucks on main st in 90210 you bought a medium coffee, a gift card, and a cookie. 1.3.2020 @ Barnes and noble you bough…

But that's not how sophisticated machine learning algorithms work. Without knowing specifics, it gets us in the right ballpark to imagine they ingest all that kind of information and build an opaque representation of the user/customer, which allows various similarities to be computed between users and ads, regarding how likely they are to be receptive or how likely they will click. There's no short list of events you did. It can even contain stuff like how quickly you move your mouse cursor, whether you use the scroll wheel or the scroll bar, or who knows what else.

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Post by ashtonkem »

Once again, this is why credibility matters. FB might have thought nothing about trashing their own name over the years (“what are they gonna do, quit?”), but now the moment they need to leverage someone else to change everyone’s response is going to be “haha, off”.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by jkubicek »

ksec wrote: post #74
saagarjha wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it’s because Facebook has killed anyone’s desire to check out a website, penalizing those that don’t have an entry on the platform?

Most of those business dont need a website. They only need one place ( cough centralised cough ) where their customer can easily find them, have all the relevant information, ( Email, Tele, Opening Time etc ), and a small space for newest update. Which could be special menu once in a while. And that is it. It is the same thing as most business dont need an App. And on the last point, you dont need a Facebook account…

> Most of those business dont need a website. They only need one place ( cough centralised cough ) where their customer can easily find them, have all the relevant information, ( Email, Tele, Opening Time etc ), and a small space for newest update. Which could be special menu once in a while. And that is it. It is the same thing as most business dont need an App.

I feel like what you described is just a website. The "one place" to find businesses is your local search engine. Sure, a website isn't free, but if your business makes any amount of money whatsoever, the costs of hosting and maintenance will be a rounding error.

I could be overestimating people's willingness to leave the Facebook walled-garden, but to be fair, I've never used Facebook proper to find more information on products or businesses.

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