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FBI: If We Told You . . . (Part II)

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Re: FBI: If We Told You . . . (Part II)

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Reminds me of a certain movie...

"Operation Blackbriar started as an NEAT surveillance program. It is now the umbrella program for all our black-ops. Full envelope intrusion, rendition, experimental interrogation - it is all run out of this office. We are the sharp end of the stick now"

Re: FBI: If We Told You . . . (Part II)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn't have said it better myself. What I've witnessed is that companies are apt to lie down in favor of the FBI because building up a rapport with the FBI can be a good thing in certain business models. (don't ask). The DoJ is well-aware of this, I'm sure, and is only too happy to throw its full weight around.

Which business models are you referring to?

Famously QWEST refused to cooperate with the NSA's warrantless wiretapping efforts a few years ago, and claimed that they lost large government contracts as a result. See http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Qwest-Punished-For-Wireta... for verification.

Re: FBI: If We Told You . . . (Part II)

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As a corporation that would like to resist any demands for my customers information & data stored on my servers what can I do? Currently the way the laws are written it is illegally in some cases even to notify the customer that they are being surveilled.

Not true.. the old Clinton era law states that after 30 to 90 days FBI has to tell someone that they asked for records.

Your information is seriously out of date. The PATRIOT act takes precedence, and it famously authorized gag orders where the people under surveillance cannot be told that their information was requested by law enforcement.

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Someone should start a company that rates how companies handle customer data. On a scale of 0 to telco, how invasive are you.

I actually like this idea. Where does facebook sit in that scale? I imagine pretty close to telco.

Hell, I'd put facebook ahead of telco. Telcos have the bureaucracy that begets incompetence and therefore inaction; facebook ranks whose profiles I visit most so it can optimize my search results and minifeeds.

Re: FBI: If We Told You . . . (Part II)

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I think that whatever grounds corporations (and their customers) have to challenge these requests that those grounds have far more basis in the law than "it would be bad for business." If the grounds for challenge are baseless then a court will toss the case, but I think that would be highly unlikely. People have a constitutional right to be secure in their papers and effects and the court should be the one judging w…

> I think that whatever grounds corporations (and their customers) have to challenge these requests that those grounds have far more basis in the law than "it would be bad for business." I wouldn't underestimate the extent to which the Commerce Clause could be applied.

Sure. Congress never underestimates how far they can take it.
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