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Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by drewbug »

trident5000 wrote: post #110
lmilcin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It even is sometimes weaponized to help fight competition. For example, by making it expensive to conduct a certain type of business and requiring even higher entry costs (things like certification, licences, etc.) it actually favors large, established businesses. Case in point: Uber suggesting minimum wage for their workers, some time ago. Think about this, the company refuses to recognize them as their work force b…

My favorite is the NY LLC publishing requirement. To start a business you must publish that you started a business for 6 consecutive weeks which costs thousands. Wonder what back door corrupt deal was made on that one.

Thousands?

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by ardy42 »

stickfigure wrote: post #11

This is the balkanization of the internet. We've lived through a brief period of free exchange among peoples, but it's soon over. I predict only one viable future for all technology companies, big and small: Pick a single national jurisdiction, keep your employees and servers inside it.

> This is the balkanization of the internet. We've lived through a brief period of free exchange among peoples, but it's soon over. I predict only one viable future for all technology companies, big and small: Pick a single national jurisdiction, keep your employees and servers inside it.

That's better than a race to the bottom, e.g.

> Pick the jurisdiction(s) are most biased towards your selfish interest for your shareholders, tell the rest of the world to quit whining and deal with it. They either they can play ball or opt of of modern society.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by bilbo0s »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #137
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #23

Free exchange among peoples is alive and well. It is easier today to make a website and share anything than it has ever been in the history of civilization. All this is is the reining in of a few greedy corporations that offer information-sharing platforms in exchange for exploitation. New communities will pop up, and old ones resurface.

That’s the political pitch. It’s really just the EU trying to challenge the economic dominance of US tech companies. Tariffs and trade barriers are unpopular, and people who implement them are supposedly very bad. But privacy regulation and huge fines for big tech are very popular, and the people who implement them are supposedly very good. When people see the fines given out I think they presume the regulations are…

Not only the EU. Asian giants as well. You're even seeing African nations latch on to "balkanization" as a method of both keeping control of their citizens' exposure to information, and addressing their problem with youth unemployment.

I think in the future there will definitely be regional internets so to speak. You will still be able to talk to people via the boring protocols, like email for instance. But a lot of people are seeing the enormous value in controlling higher level access. News, social media, etc etc.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by treeman79 »

Retric wrote: post #112
treeman79 wrote: post #96

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Vote for people that want to reduce regulations. They’re easy to spot as news/entertainment all mocks them for being “mean” There is also the plainspeak people. Law written so that average people can understand them. Lawyers less needed.

Be careful of abstract calls to action without specifics. Many calls to “reduce taxes” actually mean a subsidy for some industry in the form of targeted tax breaks. Reducing regulation just as often targets insiders as it does actually improve things. Often after a dictator takes power they do a crackdown on ‘corruption’ which has popular support. What their actually doing is consolidating power, but if you call it a…

Fewer regulations should be the goal.

Simplified tax goals.

Fairtax was a great attempt at this. One tax rate. Everyone got a check so that poor people didn’t suffer.

Millions of tax attorneys and government would need to find something else to do.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by hugi »

erhk wrote: post #136
filoleg wrote: post #115

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They get shown ads that might be more relevant to them than just an ad picked at random, which might make them more likely to buy the product displayed in the ad. I guess that could lead to some extra harm to their wallets, but otherwise I am with you on this one.

The information necessary to do that is stored, could be used for other things in the future by that company, could be stolen, could be subpoena'd. It's also taken without explicit consent or explanation of what is recorded. Bullets are just pieces of metal and gunpowder, why are you afraid of them?

Note that they also don't just sell "ads", they sell psychological manipulation. Yes, product ad targeting is one type of manipulation but where the real danger lies is when they target us with ideology. It's an expressely evil system.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by k_bx »

ironmagma wrote: post #134
stickfigure wrote: post #11

This is the balkanization of the internet. We've lived through a brief period of free exchange among peoples, but it's soon over. I predict only one viable future for all technology companies, big and small: Pick a single national jurisdiction, keep your employees and servers inside it.

It’s more like de-globalization, which could very well be a good thing given the multitudes of problems that have arisen out of globalization.

Yep. Another scary trend is the recent move of Joe Rogan under exclusively Spotify platform, together with the fact that they've removed the Podcasting part from their app for a number of countries including my own (Ukraine). I really hope there's going to be some common-sense movement that'll put this absurd to an end.

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Post by rizpanjwani »

filoleg wrote: post #115
dantheman wrote: post #104

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How are people being exploited? Where is the harm?

They get shown ads that might be more relevant to them than just an ad picked at random, which might make them more likely to buy the product displayed in the ad. I guess that could lead to some extra harm to their wallets, but otherwise I am with you on this one.

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Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by avianlyric »

dantheman wrote: post #104
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #23

Free exchange among peoples is alive and well. It is easier today to make a website and share anything than it has ever been in the history of civilization. All this is is the reining in of a few greedy corporations that offer information-sharing platforms in exchange for exploitation. New communities will pop up, and old ones resurface.

How are people being exploited? Where is the harm?

In this specific case, my data is being moved to California. Placing it in direct reach of the US government, which has not been historically shy about abusing that kind of reach.

I would quite like my data to stay in the UK, where national governments I don't elect or pay taxes to, can't touch it.

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