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Fleeing New Yorkers resulted in an estimated $34B in lost income – study

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Re: Fleeing New Yorkers resulted in an estimated $34B in lost income – study

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Does it cost more per capita to run NYC than it does smaller cities like Austin?

Maybe not to run, but the capital investment is probably higher. As well as things like subways, which there isn't one of in Austin.

Austin is building a subway.

If NYC is less expensive to manage per capita, I'm guessing that's reflected in a lower taxation rate. Don't they have a lot of room to raise taxes?

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/me looks at the USA I don't think the overwhelmingly... regressive? conservative government you've been running has done overly well either.

If only there were other choices besides progressive and conservative! /s

Broadly speaking, are there?

You generally either believe that government should be bigger and managing more things, or smaller and managing less things. The details and dividing lines vary.

Re: Fleeing New Yorkers resulted in an estimated $34B in lost income – study

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Real estate, being a straightforward investment attracts those who couldn't be making more money at pretty much any other type of investment. Hence you get the most clueless people managing the properties.

Putting your money in an index fund will probably make more money than the average real estate investment.

My point exactly

Re: Fleeing New Yorkers resulted in an estimated $34B in lost income – study

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How about: US citizens saved $34B by not having to stay in the highest COL areas? Why should we sympathize with a minority of rent-seekers?

The average New Yorker has a mere one-third of the carbon emissions as the average American. This is really bad for the climate overall. Dense city living is very efficient; living in the suburbs and driving everywhere is not. NYC is the densest city we have.

Live in the city for the sake of nature you will never experience because you live in a city.

Re: Fleeing New Yorkers resulted in an estimated $34B in lost income – study

#125
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Or in context, they estimate NYC lost a net 0.8% of its residents and the average income of the incoming and outgoing cohorts differ by -$8,055/y. It multiplies to a big dollar figure because NYC is big and rich. The original content marketing: https://global-uploads.webflow.com/5dc3e2af6a906d9cc232e1bc/... It explains that they're extrapolating from three NYC neighborhoods (Astoria, Tribeca, and Williamsburg). I'm n…

Yes. A net 0.8% of residents leaving in a year is believable. An astounding 40% of the city's population leaving, and then another 40% entering the city, which is an order of magnitude higher than any turn-over the city has ever experienced, is clearly not believable. That is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence, and they have not remotely provided it. Indeed I suspect this claim will be very easy to disprove by looking at voter rolls, tax rolls, jury pool rolls, DMV rolls, etc.

> It explains that they're extrapolating from three NYC neighborhoods (Astoria, Tribeca, and Williamsburg).

Wow. This is garbage-tier methodology that doesn't remotely deserve anyone paying attention to the "results". Talk about sampling bias galore.

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Remember which political party runs the city.

While we are at it, lets remember which political party runs the areas that are most dependent on the government. Source: https://wallethub.com/edu/most-independent-states/36426#main...

Among the most federally independent states listed are New Jersey and Illinois, two pretty much bankrupt states who depend on the possibility of a federal bailout to keep borrowing money at reasonable interest rates. So, I think this stat is kinda bunk.

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>NYC is costly, but not as costly as people think Oh come on, it's among the most expensive places to live in the world by almost any metric. Rent? Probably top 5 most expensive in the world. Groceries? Among the most expensive in the world. Restaurants? Among the most expensive in the world. This is bare necessities. It's not as if people in Raleigh are spending massive portions of their budget on "Culture" that som…

It is totally expensive, especially Rent. I'm just saying it isnt as expensive as you think in the big picture. Just across the border, all adults need cars. In NYC, you dont usually need a car (at least before the current subway crisis.) Just across the border, you dont pay city income tax, but you pay absurd property tax.

> Just across the border, you dont pay city income tax, but you pay absurd property tax.

Well, how good a deal that is depends on your household AGI versus the value of the property you own/rent in each location.

Re: Fleeing New Yorkers resulted in an estimated $34B in lost income – study

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The average New Yorker has a mere one-third of the carbon emissions as the average American. This is really bad for the climate overall. Dense city living is very efficient; living in the suburbs and driving everywhere is not. NYC is the densest city we have.

Live in the city for the sake of nature you will never experience because you live in a city.

We're not walled in here, you know. And it's not nature that matters per se but rather having a habitable planet. You're confusing issues here.

Re: Fleeing New Yorkers resulted in an estimated $34B in lost income – study

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Live in the city for the sake of nature you will never experience because you live in a city.

We're not walled in here, you know. And it's not nature that matters per se but rather having a habitable planet. You're confusing issues here.

Okay feel free to stay where you are then.

Re: Fleeing New Yorkers resulted in an estimated $34B in lost income – study

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> Go look at the voter rolls I used to do this, and can report the area of London that I lived in turned over 25% of its (voting) residents in a typical 12 month period: that is, before coronavirus time ! They may have relocated within London, of course. I assume that New York City is comparable in this respect. Further assumptions: People not vote-registered are likely to turn over even quicker than that. People who…

You need to look further into the voter rolls and actually correlate voters by identity. 25% moving within the city every year doesn't count; the linked article is talking about "Fleeing New Yorkers", not "New Yorkers moving between neighborhoods" (which is commonplace, unremarkable, and doesn't affect NYC's tax revenue in any way). What we care about here is people that actually moved out of the city entirely, or th…

My point is that I do not find it remarkable for that number to be higher than 25% during this period, nor would it be remarkable if more of that churn of people were moving in and out of the city rather than within. (you misrepresent what I said about that).

So the article's reporting fits within my expectation - also noting that a net change of 70,000 people is very small.

The voter rolls will significantly lag outside of election day and - again - is much less likely to include transient residents who won't bother to register, so it's no more likely to be a complete reflection of what has happened than the cellphone data source used here. Something like 40% of the NYC population is not registered to vote.

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