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Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Post by DoreenMichele »

remote_phone wrote: post #139
DoreenMichele wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live with a serious, incurable respiratory condition. I have many years of experience of managing it by first and foremost not exposing myself to germs rather than cavalierly exposing myself and hoping a little cloth over my face will somehow fix it. But based on this comment and all the downvotes, it seems the decision to not pursue a blog in earnest promoting the idea "That maybe we can find a better-er answer" w…

Your situation is atypical. So masks may not be a good solution for you. But for society in general, masks are the best solution. No amount of maskless social distancing can keep you safe but still be able to socialize with others. 6’ is not a number that was derived from science. When investigated, scientists said it was more like 20’. But having masks and learning how to wear them properly allows people to engage i…

Your situation is atypical. So condoms may not be a good solution for you. But for society in general, condoms are the best solution. No amount of condomless masturbation can keep you safe but still be able to casually fuck random strangers at will for funsies.

But having condoms and learning how to use them properly allows people to engage in almost normal casual fuckery because we are convinced there is absolutely no other means whatsoever to get our sexual and emotional needs met and consider such to be more important than actual safety.

Though I do like your stat that 20 feet is better than 6. That fits with my firsthand observations and at least introduces a little science to a discussion that tends to lack real science.

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Post by beeforpork »

WhiskeyVictor wrote: post #28
neaanopri wrote: post #20

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Masks work. If everyone is wearing a mask, there are at least two masks between you and an infected person. Masks don't provide 100% protection, but nothing does. However, masks are important, because they enable people to safely perform essential activities like grocery shopping, and most jobs. We don't need to stop _every single transmission_, all that we need to do is make sure that each infected person doesn't in…

The data tells a different story. https://rationalground.com/post-thanksgiving-mask-charts-sti...

Obviously even simple cloth masks help: notice how they get wet when you wear them? That moisture is your exhaled water droplets, the carriers of virusses, that don't end up in other people's faces!

Also, do you think surgeons wear masks for fashion reasons?

The mask discussion is absurd. A totally minor inconvenience vs. decreased virus exhaling, how can this be a topic for discussion?

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Post by nickthemagicman »

aeturnum wrote: post #47
nickthemagicman wrote: post #11

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The reason medical professionals wear disposable masks in clinics is because reusable masks don't work. Actual correct mask usage means changing masks numerous times a day.

You are spreading false information. Reusable masks do "work." Masks lose effectiveness over time and should be changed regularly, but it is not true that "correct" usage involves changing them "numerous times a day." There are two major factors that, as I understand it, drive the use of disposable masks in clinical settings. First is that healthcare workers see many sick people a day and they are worried about surfa…

I coul get into the epidemiology and biology of a pathogen that stays on surfaces for days.

But for simplicity sake I'll just say this.

I wouldn't want my surgeon walking in to give me surgery, with a mask he just used from another operation.

Corona virus doesn't become any less deadly or contagious outside of a medical institution.

Also falsely accusing someone of spreading false information Should be like falsely accusing someone of rape. The accuser should go to jail or get banned if they're wrong.

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Post by aeturnum »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #143
aeturnum wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are spreading false information. Reusable masks do "work." Masks lose effectiveness over time and should be changed regularly, but it is not true that "correct" usage involves changing them "numerous times a day." There are two major factors that, as I understand it, drive the use of disposable masks in clinical settings. First is that healthcare workers see many sick people a day and they are worried about surfa…

I coul get into the epidemiology and biology of a pathogen that stays on surfaces for days. But for simplicity sake I'll just say this. I wouldn't want my surgeon walking in to give me surgery, with a mask he just used from another operation. Corona virus doesn't become any less deadly or contagious outside of a medical institution. Also falsely accusing someone of spreading false information Should be like falsely a…

Exactly, which is why I pointed out that healthcare workers frequently change masks for reasons related to their environment. It's also, of course, why medical workers wore surgical masks before covid.

PPE worn outside of clinical settings already exist in a lower risk situation and so it's reasonable to accept lower standards for it.

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Post by nickthemagicman »

aeturnum wrote: post #144
nickthemagicman wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I coul get into the epidemiology and biology of a pathogen that stays on surfaces for days. But for simplicity sake I'll just say this. I wouldn't want my surgeon walking in to give me surgery, with a mask he just used from another operation. Corona virus doesn't become any less deadly or contagious outside of a medical institution. Also falsely accusing someone of spreading false information Should be like falsely a…

Exactly, which is why I pointed out that healthcare workers frequently change masks for reasons related to their environment. It's also, of course, why medical workers wore surgical masks before covid. PPE worn outside of clinical settings already exist in a lower risk situation and so it's reasonable to accept lower standards for it.

Lower standards?

You mean standards like applying a device directly onto your respiratory system that's been potentially exposed for long periods of time to a virus that stays on surfaces for days?

These aren't lower standards these are freaking negative standards.

The virus doesn't become less deadly or less contagious outside of medical institutions.

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Post by nickthemagicman »

asutekku wrote: post #26
nickthemagicman wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason medical professionals wear disposable masks in clinics is because reusable masks don't work. Actual correct mask usage means changing masks numerous times a day.

There's a slight difference on what is required by a medical professional and by someone just commuting. Sure, one could always do better, but reusable masks are adequate.

Maybe adequate for applying a plague vector directly to your face, a plague vector that's been constantly potentially exposed to a virus that stays on surfaces for days.

Sure they're adequate for that.

There's a reason medical professionals change their PPE.

Corona virus doesn't magically become less deadly or less contagious outside of medical institutions.

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Post by dwaltrip »

akarma wrote: post #58

On the note of disposing properly: To protect wildlife, it's been recommended by wildlife nonprofits to snip the straps of your face masks before disposing, to minimize the potential for it to harm an animal. [1] https://www.heart.co.uk/lifestyle/rspca-warn-face-masks-wild...

If I place an item into a trash bin, what is the likelihood that it comes into contact with wildlife?

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Post by [deleted] »

aeturnum wrote: post #47
nickthemagicman wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason medical professionals wear disposable masks in clinics is because reusable masks don't work. Actual correct mask usage means changing masks numerous times a day.

You are spreading false information. Reusable masks do "work." Masks lose effectiveness over time and should be changed regularly, but it is not true that "correct" usage involves changing them "numerous times a day." There are two major factors that, as I understand it, drive the use of disposable masks in clinical settings. First is that healthcare workers see many sick people a day and they are worried about surfa…

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Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Post by txsoftwaredev »

remote_phone wrote: post #98
DoreenMichele wrote: post #65

Maybe the takeaway we should try to get out of this is that, with so many people in the world, behavioral solutions -- like social distancing -- are overall superior to thing-based solutions (like masks). I tried to start a blog about this idea. I probably tried to start more than one. But with the hysteria in the air, I felt like I was going to attract a lynch mob for trying to critique the practice of turning to ma…

People who say that masks aren’t the answer frankly mystify me. If you were to tell a child “there is a disease that is spread from our breath. What do you think a good solution would be?” I would be dollars to donuts that their answer would be “what about a mask?” The answer is so obvious that even a child could come up with it. And it takes an adult to convince themselves otherwise. Even science says that masks are…

Masks are effective in a hospital setting with trained persons that know how to properly wear one and replace/clean. Wearing the same cloth mask every day while you grocery shop does nothing but make you feel better.

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Post by matz1 »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #130
matz1 wrote: post #82

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>Are you insinuating that any improvement is not worth pursuing That is not what I insinuating at all. >Would you rather me be wearing a mask If you are sick, you should rest at home, just like with any other illness. I wouldn't care whether you wear mask or not.

> If you are sick, you should rest at home, just like with any other illness. That's not what was asked. Covid has an up to two week asymptomatic period, there's a high chance that someone around you when you go out is infected and doesn't know. Would you rather them be wearing a mask or not?

>Would you rather them be wearing a mask or not?

I already answer it :

>I wouldn't care whether you wear mask or not

Its up to them, make no difference to me, I have no reason and no interest to require them to wear mask.

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