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CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by sleepybrett »

dotdi wrote: post #9

I see CDPR being bashed a lot and I wanted to chip in: I bought the game on release day on GOG and am playing it on a Macbook Pro via Geforce Now. It's running very well for me. I've had 0 crashes. Very few glitches, and if, then they were cosmetic i.e. didn't cause any gameplay problems†. The visuals are absolutely amazing. Combat is very nice. The skill tree is interesting. Night city is beautifully immersive and t…

I'm generally in the same place as you but I gotta say combat is pretty shit. The AI is bonehead stupid, I've killed a guy (not using a silencer) that was standing three feet from another guy and his partner didn't alert. Meanwhile 5 guys from outside the building did, rushed in the building then stopped dead and didn't ever shoot.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by pavon »

_cs2017_ wrote: post #27

Wasn't it obvious to anyone who play-tested on last-gen consoles that the game is nearly unplayable and so will receive horrendous reviews? Presumably CDPR employees are not afraid to convey such bad news to the management. So why did the management still decide to go ahead with the release this year? After reading this transcript, I didn't find the answer to these questions. "Underestimated the scale and complexity…

They overestimated how much they could fix in the time between the initial delivery and the day-one patch.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

#33

Post by BitwiseFool »

IronRanger wrote: post #4

The major underappreciated factor for this release is the impact of COVID lockdowns - particularly enforced WFH - on the final development of this title. For me this is the single factor which has lead to so many of the problems inherent in the game. You cannot just pickup a multi-hundred person digital interactive art project (ie. a video game) and shift it online overnight. Still, I think CDPR were right to release…

I still have no idea why all these big game developers are releasing new titles and still supporting last gen hardware. You would think games like Cyberpunk 2077 and Halo Infinite would be launch titles that would entice people to buy new consoles.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by [deleted] »

niea_11 wrote: post #29
Merman_Mike wrote: post #8

> Hi, this is Michał Nowakowski – the second question; would having more developers help deliver the game on old-gens? In terms of delivering the game at a certain point, it’s really not about the number of people; it’s not like throwing in – in the last month – 200 or so people would actually help. So, the answer is no; this is not related to the fact that we could have thrown 300 or 500 more people into the fray an…

There is a maxim from the essay "The Mythical Man-Month" saying that adding people to a late software project makes it later. It takes time for new people to become productive, communication becomes difficult and some tasks can't be "parallelized". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks%27s_law

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Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

#35

Post by miemo23 »

f6v wrote: post #3

If you watch game footage, it's obvious it's half-baked. However, so many people violated the number one rule: no preorders. This is literally the only thing gamers can do to incentivise developers to not release buggy games. But here we are again.

I've had zero problems with it on PC.

Fantastic game with maybe 2-3 bugs

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by Guthur »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #33
IronRanger wrote: post #4

The major underappreciated factor for this release is the impact of COVID lockdowns - particularly enforced WFH - on the final development of this title. For me this is the single factor which has lead to so many of the problems inherent in the game. You cannot just pickup a multi-hundred person digital interactive art project (ie. a video game) and shift it online overnight. Still, I think CDPR were right to release…

I still have no idea why all these big game developers are releasing new titles and still supporting last gen hardware. You would think games like Cyberpunk 2077 and Halo Infinite would be launch titles that would entice people to buy new consoles.

Market reach, the new consoles have just released and are very hard to get.

Big AAA need plenty of market reach to be profitable unless they have some exclusivity deal.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by pavlov »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #26
pavlov wrote: post #7

This company has probably the shittiest gamified bonus system that I've ever heard of: "CDPR leaders would hand out tokens every month to staffers who went above and beyond, and those tokens were supposed to be transferrable into bonuses if the game met “certain criteria, like critical acclaim and a timely release,” according to the report." [1] Get paid in "crunch mode experience points" handed out by middle manager…

Doesn't sound much different than getting paid in equity at a startup.

There's centuries worth of legislation about equity. You can still get screwed, but "I'm giving you the right to own shares in this company" means something in the eyes of the law. Getting paid in participation tokens doesn't.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by pojzon »

_cs2017_ wrote: post #27

Wasn't it obvious to anyone who play-tested on last-gen consoles that the game is nearly unplayable and so will receive horrendous reviews? Presumably CDPR employees are not afraid to convey such bad news to the management. So why did the management still decide to go ahead with the release this year? After reading this transcript, I didn't find the answer to these questions. "Underestimated the scale and complexity…

CDPR is owned in 66% by investors. And investors want ROI and there is nothing better than holiday season for that.

They also knew about how bad the game runs on PS4 and released it either way because “money>everything”.

Its really that simple.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by InitialLastName »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #33
IronRanger wrote: post #4

The major underappreciated factor for this release is the impact of COVID lockdowns - particularly enforced WFH - on the final development of this title. For me this is the single factor which has lead to so many of the problems inherent in the game. You cannot just pickup a multi-hundred person digital interactive art project (ie. a video game) and shift it online overnight. Still, I think CDPR were right to release…

I still have no idea why all these big game developers are releasing new titles and still supporting last gen hardware. You would think games like Cyberpunk 2077 and Halo Infinite would be launch titles that would entice people to buy new consoles.

Cyberpunk 2077 is ~2 years delayed and was marketed heavily as the pinnacle of what the last generation of consoles could do, to the extent that they released a limited edition Xbox One X bundle for the game [0]. They couldn't exactly do that and then not sell it on that console, could they?

[0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/xbox-one-x-1tb-console-cyb...

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by errantspark »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #26
pavlov wrote: post #7

This company has probably the shittiest gamified bonus system that I've ever heard of: "CDPR leaders would hand out tokens every month to staffers who went above and beyond, and those tokens were supposed to be transferrable into bonuses if the game met “certain criteria, like critical acclaim and a timely release,” according to the report." [1] Get paid in "crunch mode experience points" handed out by middle manager…

Doesn't sound much different than getting paid in equity at a startup.

I thought that was PascalCase and this is camelCase? Have I been wrong all these years?
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