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Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by zdragnar »

tstrimple wrote: post #75
dcolkitt wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This just isn’t consistent with the empirical evidence whatsoever. An overwhelming amount of economic analysis shows that the burden of regulation disproportionately falls on small business. That doesn’t necessarily mean that there aren’t other justifications for any given regulation. But ain’t no small business owner or entrepreneur in history ever said “Boy! All these regulations sure are making my life easy”

Yeah, we never see examples of small teams disrupting large markets with entrenched competitors. I'm afraid with taxi medallion regulations, we'll never see any competition in that space.

They wouldn't have, had they actually obeyed the same laws and regulations.

Instead, they offered a nearly identical service (arranged via app rather than hailing streetside) and skirted around all of the regulations that had kept the incumbents entrenched for so long.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by richrichardsson »

wdb wrote: post #19

Do you need to change your location to UK or how does it decide you are a UK user?

This is a pertinent question. I set my account up in the UK but now reside in Croatia. Facebook has not been explicitly given my nationality, so I would assume they have to err on the side of caution and keep me under EU terms?

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by ngold »

Hokusai wrote: post #3

Tech companies, or any company for that matter, will do what is best for themselves. Regulations exist to protect consumers and other companies from accusative behaviors. Remove the regulation and the 'we care for your privacy' message disappears with it. Because they never cared for your privacy, they will just doing what was mandatory.

Facebook makes 7 bucks a month on every user.

Don't let Facebook make 7 bucks a month on every user.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by furyg3 »

typenil wrote: post #80

> U.S. courts have held that constitutional protections against unreasonable searches do not apply to non-citizens overseas. In effect it's harder and harder to find cases where the 4th amendment protections apply to US citizens, either.

I never understood this. If the freedoms outlined in the constitution are universal and inalienable, shouldn't the US also apply them, well, universally?

Like do you believe in them or not?

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by amsvie »

SeriousM wrote: post #20
tomxor wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are people foremost, not consumers, especially in the context of privacy. Please do not use their terminology, it empowers them by framing everything in the eyes of corporate interests.

When you enter a shop you become a customer, not a human being with feelings. Same goes for those platforms. You enter it and you become a consumer. If you're like it or not.

You enter the shop as a human being, and there's certain (human) rights that should come with that.

We're talking here about the right to get a copy of your own data, the right to be forgotten when you want to leave, the right to be informed about data breaches, and a right to agree to types of data processing.

Your analogy is "you enter a shop and cannot leave again, may be abused, and lose control."

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by treeman79 »

harry8 wrote: post #67
chrisseaton wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Regulations exist to protect consumers and other companies from accusative behaviors. I think this is possibly a bit naive. Regulations also exist to protect powerful people's businesses, to push personal agendas, and to further political aims even if those are not actually in the interests of any consumers. Also sometimes people think they're making a regulation to protect consumers, but actually it makes things w…

This is called "Regulatory Capture" and is a form of corruption. It is not /why/ regulation exists any more than the murder of Mr Floyd is why police exist. Regulatory capture is utterly rampant right now and a huge threat to democracy. This is true regardless of one's personal politics or beliefs about big vs small government or political party of preference. It's a cancer and more dangerous than people think.

Vote for people that want to reduce regulations.

They’re easy to spot as news/entertainment all mocks them for being “mean”

There is also the plainspeak people. Law written so that average people can understand them. Lawyers less needed.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by thelittleone »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #2

How can any official in the UK or EU say with a straight face they don't think every tech company hands over data to the US government when they themselves hand their own citizens data to the US government.

Lying and deceit has always been a large part of politics but politicians used to go to some lengths to cover it up. Now it's as if we are so used to it and have a accepted this reality that they no longer need to waste energy covering it up.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by Sargos »

hugi wrote: post #90
Sargos wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We seem to be nearing peak big tech which does conflict a bit with the nation state system but looking at technology today it does seem to be a temporary phenomenon with light at the end of the tunnel. Decentralized protocols that operate at the internet layer above the interference of nation states are being built and deployed today and while they are still in their infancy they have a clear path to providing a neut…

What utter nonsense. Facebook and Twitter will not turn themselves into protocols unless explicitly forced to do so by authorities. It's in their interest to be monopolies.

I didn't say they will turn themselves into protocols. The social protocols that are developed will displace those corporations over time as they provide more functionality with fewer restrictions.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by selimthegrim »

oblio wrote: post #59
ldargin wrote: post #35

Welcome to the United States of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Why not just "United States"? England would be the most populous state and Northern Ireland and Wales could duke it out with Mississippi and Alabama :-p I'm assuming that Scotland would not want any part of this, that's why I'm not including it.

Aren't half of their cousins in MS and AL anyway?

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by notimetorelax »

mrtksn wrote: post #64
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citizenship matters not. Only residency. Just because I'm a Britsh person living in the US doesn't mean I'm not subject to the death penalty or am exempt from having to buy health insurance, for example.

Okay, what does it mean “residency”? In the UK there’s no address registry where you declare your address. EU citizen works in the UK for 2 years then goes to Turkey for a vacation but likes the place so much, decides to stay for longer when still remote working for the same London company.Also connects through VPN because the Turks love banning websites. Where this person residence is? Are the UK, USA, EU or Turkish…

There are clear rules regulating that, but they may depend on the country.
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