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Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by throwaway894345 »

znpy wrote: post #384
throwaway894345 wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I admittedly haven't read the article yet (I'll carry the shame until my dying day, etc), but does it take into account that we've had a lot more unrest than usual this year? Even without an uptick in authoritarianism, I would expect more journalists to be arrested in a year with lots of riots and protests against the police than in a calm year. Specifically, you have record numbers of journalists working in close pr…

> I admittedly haven't read the article yet (...), but does it take into account that we've had a lot more unrest than usual this year? If you have more unrest than usual (and it shouldn't be usual at all to have unrest) it's even more important to have more journalists circulating freely and writing/publishing freely: that's how you get to see and understand what's actually going on. If you don't have journalists do…

No one is arguing that journalists are unimportant, only that an increase in journalist arrests could be a really scary thing like authoritarianism or it could be that they just had a lot more contact with crankier cops.

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Post by woeirua »

mdhh wrote: post #43

The Human Rights Measurement Initiative's data showed that even in 2019 the "The US scores for Safety from the State are disturbingly poor". https://humanrightsmeasurement.org/the-us-scores-poorly-in-h...

Not sure I'd be citing that group. Their methodology is suprisingly opaque.

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Post by woeirua »

vletal wrote: post #99

Interesting. Why is Committee to Protect Journalists not showing that in their dataset? They seem to include USA in the Country dropdown list. Is it because they were arrested and not imprisoned? https://cpj.org/data/imprisoned/2020/?status=Imprisoned&star...

This should be the top response to this post.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

j_walter wrote: post #352
mitjak wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

care to provide any sort of evidence?

If you need some evidence of what is actually happening, then I recommend following Andy Ngo on Twitter. It's certainly only one view point of the protests that are going on, but its a side you won't see covered anywhere else.

Any credible sources? Andy Ngo is a propagandist for atomwaffen and heavily edits what he releases to strip it of context and present a narrative that is often directly contrary to the truth.

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Post by findthewords »

user764743 wrote: post #144

Reading the comments in this thread and I am amazed at the sudden pro-authoritarian shift seen on HN lately, what's going on?

If you subscribe to the debt cycle theory by Ray Dalio [1], late cycles see a rise of inequality, populism and finally authoritarianism. (I am skeptical.)

[1 ]https://www.valuewalk.com/2019/05/ray-dalio-late-long-term-d...

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Post by Mandatum »

dang wrote: post #266
user764743 wrote: post #144

Reading the comments in this thread and I am amazed at the sudden pro-authoritarian shift seen on HN lately, what's going on?

This is the contrarian dynamic: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... . Internet comments get provoked by seeing something one objects to. When the thread is new, the only things to object to are the article and the title, so comments come from people objecting to those. Such posts tend to be reflexive and shallow because those are the fastest reactions to feel and the quickest to write. Mos…

Is there a way to get timestamp data from these threads? I'd be interested in analysing some of these and sharing some results and examples of this at work.

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Post by pnw_hazor »

smnrchrds wrote: post #161
pas wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not following police order is grounds for arrest, not for getting a riot shield bashed into one's face.

I don't know about the US, but here in Canada not following police orders is not by itself grounds for arrest. It has to be a lawful order, not whatever the police fancies at the moment. The police cannot for example say "stop filming or I will arrest you" and be able to legally justify that arrest in the court of law. https://globalnews.ca/news/6233399/supreme-court-montreal-es...

Same in the US.

But, people are required to obey police commands, unlawful or not, and then seek remedy from the courts afterwards.

And, there is usually a narrow self-defense exception. One can lawfully resist if the police are unlawfully trying to kill you.

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Post by zug_zug »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #318
dang wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the contrarian dynamic: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... . Internet comments get provoked by seeing something one objects to. When the thread is new, the only things to object to are the article and the title, so comments come from people objecting to those. Such posts tend to be reflexive and shallow because those are the fastest reactions to feel and the quickest to write. Mos…

> When the thread is new, the only things to object to are the article and the title, so comments come from people objecting to those. Such posts tend to be reflexive and shallow because those are the fastest reactions to feel and the quickest to write. It'd be very interesting to see how a short delay of posting comments on new post would impact this. Compared to other vote-based sites, HN is very health - but to yo…

I was thinking about a similar scoring strategy for comments as is applied to articles. Articles which generate more comments than upvotes are deprioritized. Perhaps comments that garner more comments than upvotes could similarly be deprioritized (not unlike reddit penalizing controversial opinions [those with both upvotes & downvotes] )

I'm envisioning a use-case for this would be when say, an article briefly touching on tech interviewing (or with a title about tech-interviewing) is posted, and immediately the top-comment changes the subject to "Boy tech interwiews really grind my gears!" Suddenly everyone wants to vent and the thread is overwhelmed.

One natural reason for this penalty is that a highly-ranked comment brings along all the comments that ride along with it to the top. The most extreme form is when the entire comment page is a single comment-thread.

Alternatively, a flexible proposal is to allow users to choose their sort preference, like they can on reddit.

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Post by treeman79 »

abacadaba wrote: post #382
Bodell wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So in looking at the first link. I had a hard time finding a single example of anyone pretending to be a journalist, except maybe the owner of the twitter account. What I did find were hundreds of videos of random people getting in fights, the owner of the account talking about the fights he had also engaged in, and a lot of claims about people being part of a secret underground antifi something or other. In reality…

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327774883002998784?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298145371009380352?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296075594896039937?s=2... https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-press-throwing-o... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296610943514812418?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300690653714591744?s=2... https://www.portlandoregon.gov/polic…

Police have people hurling the most vial insults imaginable, for hours. As well as having to endure physical assaults.

This is going to cause some serious psychological damage down the road. No one takes that kind of abuse and comes away unchanged.

The fact that at no point did police simply open fire in mass. Well that is truly impressive.

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Post by cambalache »

A couple of comments, it's pretty funny to say this site tends conservative when all the heavy downvoted comments are all conservatives. HN and /. "used" to be, not right wing, but libertarian, but since the escalation of the woke brigade most people have been silenced, it is not useful to lose your job over some comments. Btw, weird that the crazy story about the new McCarthy-style list of the NVIDIA researcher has not reached the site (or I havent seen it more probably).

The other thing to have in mind is that this exaggerated dynamic not only happens in the US. So everytime you read something like "500!!!! journalists detained" in China/Mexico/Uzbekistan, 10% are actual journalists, and 90% are people who was in the protests filming claiming they were filming with their phones. Far from me to defend an authoritarian regime, I mention this because it seems is a blind-spot many Americans have. The same exaggerations made by the media in America (the result of a polarized society) usually happen elsewhere too

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