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Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Sounds like a completely made up figure.

Yeah but how do you make an article out of "many face masks will..."? Like what is many? Dozens or billions?

1.56 is for sure false precision though. I assume there can be easily an order of magnitude uncertainty in that.

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Masks work. If everyone is wearing a mask, there are at least two masks between you and an infected person. Masks don't provide 100% protection, but nothing does. However, masks are important, because they enable people to safely perform essential activities like grocery shopping, and most jobs. We don't need to stop _every single transmission_, all that we need to do is make sure that each infected person doesn't in…

The data tells a different story. https://rationalground.com/post-thanksgiving-mask-charts-sti...

Well, I live in CA and the CA graph is missing a number of critical marks, including the point right before the spike where CA dialed back a number of regulations, allowed indoor dining, etc.

Missing such important information - the specific information that goes against the page's agenda - calls the entire thing into question. What else is it intentionally not showing?

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Whenever I go outside and see >50% people wearing disposable masks I wonder... Why? Did they only find out about the pandemic right now and it caught them off-guard? I have had reusable masks since April. I assumed everyone was doing the same, but everytime I go outside I prove myself wrong. I don't get it.

Face masks make me sweat like crazy so I’ve been using disposables for hygiene reasons

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Whenever I go outside and see >50% people wearing disposable masks I wonder... Why? Did they only find out about the pandemic right now and it caught them off-guard? I have had reusable masks since April. I assumed everyone was doing the same, but everytime I go outside I prove myself wrong. I don't get it.

Simple reasons: - The cloth masks don't form a tight seal and leave two gaping holes on either side of my nose. - The cloth masks don't have as fine a filter mesh and aren't as effective at filtering tiny particles. That said, I don't go out that often, and my trips are limited in time, so I reuse a disposable N95/KN95 mask until I've worn it for as much as a total of 30-100 hours before I dispose of it. I also use r…

3M respirators with P100 filters have a comfortable silicone seal, aren’t very expensive, and actually prevent the wearer from infection.

We settled on a public policy where we are only as safe as the worst mask an infected person is wearing. I would have preferred an alternative policy where people who don’t want to get sick simply wear an effective mask.

I do encourage covering the exhale valve, though, just to be extra safe and considerate.

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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I found no justification for the 3% figure in the actual report. EDIT: my bad, the justification is a 3% estimated rate for all plastics globally.

People throw away trash (empty soda bottles, candy wraps etc) a lot easier than they'd throw away a device meant to protect their (and others) health. The real number has to be waaay below 1%.

Surgical masks are disposable for a reason, they eventually get dirty, damp, and smelly. They can't ordinarily be cleaned, so they go in the trash. It's not at all weird if a single-digit percentage point of a disposable item doesn't make it into a proper landfill.

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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>Masks don't provide 100% protection, So 1% protection ? >but nothing does. However, masks are important, because they enable people to safely perform essential activities like grocery shopping, and most jobs. fortunately that the chance of getting sick from covid from doing those activities without mask are very very low. infection is not useful metric because only small percentage actually cause sickness. Masks: Th…

how much protection would be enough for you to wear one? 50%? 75%? Hell, even 1% is higher than 0 and really, what's the harm? Yea most people don't get very sick, except for the 300k that are dead just in the US.

2020 is coming to a close. In a couple of weeks we will have the final tally for the year. This is good because we can then compare it to other years in total. I suggest you check the all cause excess mortality figure. It's already been projected to be essentially the same. This is a really good metric to evaluate the threat level.

Here's a nice graph of deaths per month per millon for a nearly 200 year perspective: https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/#foobox-1/3/sweden-mo...

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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On the note of disposing properly:

To protect wildlife, it's been recommended by wildlife nonprofits to snip the straps of your face masks before disposing, to minimize the potential for it to harm an animal.

[1] https://www.heart.co.uk/lifestyle/rspca-warn-face-masks-wild...

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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The Mask is only for compliance and to make other people feeling good, thats it, thats the only usage. It is not to stop virus because it can't, unless maybe a very specific type of mask and with proper training.

Masks work. If everyone is wearing a mask, there are at least two masks between you and an infected person. Masks don't provide 100% protection, but nothing does. However, masks are important, because they enable people to safely perform essential activities like grocery shopping, and most jobs. We don't need to stop _every single transmission_, all that we need to do is make sure that each infected person doesn't in…

The recent Danish study was the very first randomized controlled trial involving face masks and COVID-19 that reported (so far), and concluded:

"the plausible effect of the mask intervention ranged all the way from a 46% decrease in infection to a 23% increase"

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/danish-study-doesnt-prove-...

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Simple reasons: - The cloth masks don't form a tight seal and leave two gaping holes on either side of my nose. - The cloth masks don't have as fine a filter mesh and aren't as effective at filtering tiny particles. That said, I don't go out that often, and my trips are limited in time, so I reuse a disposable N95/KN95 mask until I've worn it for as much as a total of 30-100 hours before I dispose of it. I also use r…

3M respirators with P100 filters have a comfortable silicone seal, aren’t very expensive, and actually prevent the wearer from infection. We settled on a public policy where we are only as safe as the worst mask an infected person is wearing. I would have preferred an alternative policy where people who don’t want to get sick simply wear an effective mask. I do encourage covering the exhale valve, though, just to be…

I have respirators and filters left over from home improvement projects - have you ever tried to communicate through those? Your voice takes on this indescribable warbly tone. I wouldn't want to try and accomplish any errands wearing one of those. Maybe if I were riding public transit and able to not speak to anyone...
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