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Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“While we recognize the importance and the rights of the private citizen who snaps a photo or video of an arrest, this site will only cover individuals who self-identify as journalists and have some track record of journalistic work.“ Looks like you’d have to produce some journalistic work in the past. Unclear if that’s a blog or having your worked printed in a major publication.

It's a completely circular definition (as far as I can see).

I think it's more of a "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck." If you call yourself a journalist and have a record of reporting on things, then by this definition you are one. But you can't decide you are a persecuted journalist because you got arrested.

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#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like anyone could go in there with a camera and "journalist" written onto their shirt and behave like they don't need to follow orders from the police.

Why are the Police giving anyone orders unless they're committing a crime?

Police don't need to know of you're committing a crime, only think that you might be. It's up to the courts whether you did

If a cop thinks it's illegal to have your shoes untied, or to be jogging, they can arrest you

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

#93

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The police were attempting to intimidate and silence them is the honest answer. I'm not sure if any were charged with anything that stuck, because likely none of them committed any actual crimes. It's just police abusing their power.

> The police were attempting to intimidate and silence them is the honest answer. > likely none of them committed any actual crimes What makes you say that?

> What makes you say that?

Watch the Lafayette Square clearing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L1gZApugd0

Now notice a few things:

1. The first cop who throws a punch at them is clearly abusing his power.

2. A 2nd cop realizes what's going on, pulls the 1st cop off the news crew, and provides a place for the news reporters to run away. (This isn't clear from the Australian news camera. But some people filmed this incident from a 2nd or 3rd angle. The news crew was defended by one of the cops)

The officers who wish to intimidate the media exist. But there are also officers who realize this is a very, very bad idea.

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The right-wing media (which a large number of cops do follow) have been describing "the mainstream media" as the enemy of the people for years. Its not surprising that those particular cops who listen to that message are now beginning to throw punches at media crew.

We're now seeing the results of that indoctrination. If the media is the enemy, then it is "fair" to arrest, punch, and otherwise intimidate them.

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

#94

One line from the report jumped out at me as I was skimming it: > About half the journalists here are freelancers, who may lack the institutional support of a newsroom and the financial resources for a potentially expensive legal defense. I hadn't really thought of the value of legal defense from journalism institutions (as opposed to non-institutional platforms like Substack) before.

We will look back on the ruination of journalism as a profession as one of the most consequential changes of these last two decades.

I mean, it's a double-edged sword.

On one side, the death of traditional journalism really has opened up folks' eyes to bias in reporting. Having one or two main-stream news sources really opens up the possibility for bias becoming truth.

On the other side, now that everyone is a reporter, people roll around inside whichever cocoon of bias makes them feel the best.

It's very frustrating, and overwhelming.

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

#95
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“While we recognize the importance and the rights of the private citizen who snaps a photo or video of an arrest, this site will only cover individuals who self-identify as journalists and have some track record of journalistic work.“ Looks like you’d have to produce some journalistic work in the past. Unclear if that’s a blog or having your worked printed in a major publication.

It's a completely circular definition (as far as I can see).

How’s that? Seems like it’s just saying “we’re not going to treat you like a journalist if you don’t claim to be one, and you can’t claim to be one without having done any work before.”

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

#96
All you need to do is write "press" in sharpie somewhere visible on your person and upload cell phone videos to youtube, twitch, dlive, etc. to be considered a "journalist" in 2020. Maybe set up a venmo/cashapp account. That's what the vast majority of live streamers in Portland do covering the riots, and most who were arrested were breaking the law. There are many more "livestreamers" than accredited journalists who work for actual newspapers, magazines and tv news stations.

It would be interesting to know how many people working for actual "major publications" were arrested vs self proclaimed "journalists" streaming or uploading to youtube. I witnessed many, many livestreamers being arrested over the last 7 months of ongoing riots/unlawful assemblies. I don't think I ever saw anybody from the local news stations/news papers being arrested.

The livestreamers who were arrested were violating the law.

1) participating in de-arresting someone (when the police are physically detaining someone, others will physically attack the police to set the person being arrested "free")

2) throwing objects at police

3) Not leaving the scene of a declared riot/unlawful assembly when lawfully told to do so. They are usually warned multiple times through the LRAD system with at least 15-30 minutes forewarning.

Most arrested were actually actively participating in the riots and not just passively recording/reporting. They also routinely purposefully turn their cameras away when people who they are favorable towards are committing crimes so there is no evidence and chant "what did you see? We didn't see shit" over and over.

Journalist Andy Ngo (https://twitter.com/mrandyngo) routinely posts their arrest records and what the arrest charges were, and often video of what they did when arrested. Most charges are dropped by the local DA. Most are also immediately bailed out if actually charged using a $1.4M bail fund (https://www.gofundme.com/f/pdx-protest-bail-fund and that's only 1 fund of several) set up by the National Lawyers Guild. Basically they'll only actually charge you if you committed arson. They even drop charges of physically attacking police officers unless it's particularly egregious and well documented.

As you can probably tell, I strongly disagree on who they are claiming are journalists. I don't think anyone from KOIN/KGW/Fox/The Oregonian/New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Time or any other major publications were arrested in Portland during the riots. They tend to be lawful while gathering their source material.

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

#97

One line from the report jumped out at me as I was skimming it: > About half the journalists here are freelancers, who may lack the institutional support of a newsroom and the financial resources for a potentially expensive legal defense. I hadn't really thought of the value of legal defense from journalism institutions (as opposed to non-institutional platforms like Substack) before.

How many 'journals' actually resort to legal action (or even threats thereof) against law enforcement organizations? I would guess the press usually use negative coverage as a sort of retaliation when they feel wronged.

I have nothing against either lawsuits or journalistic retaliation, but I think the latter may be ineffective in this polarized environment, when websites and papers have taken hard stances.

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

#99
Interesting. Why is Committee to Protect Journalists not showing that in their dataset? They seem to include USA in the Country dropdown list. Is it because they were arrested and not imprisoned?

https://cpj.org/data/imprisoned/2020/?status=Imprisoned&star...

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