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Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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ralfn wrote: post #520
uxcolumbo wrote: post #430

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>> We go out of our way to engineer protocols and technology and platforms that make it impossible to do that the right thing (by design). From p2p networks in the 90ties to crypto currencies. From YouTube to Spotify. I don't understand this bit. So are you saying crypto currencies are making it impossible to do the right thing? If so, what do you mean by that?

>So are you saying crypto currencies are making it impossible to do the right thing? Cryptocurrencies are designed to subvert regulation and oversight. That's the selling point. That current societal infrastructure to protect innocent (sometimes gullible) people from everything from weapons trade or pyramid schemes. If you want to 'make it do the right thing', thats already exists and is your wallet. Thats called mon…

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Post by ajoy39 »

wruza wrote: post #476
ajoy39 wrote: post #422

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How does this have anything to do with REAL rape and REAL stolen video and images being uploaded NOW? Just because you can theoretically, in the future, make a fake video of someone having sex doesn't mean it's in any way justifiable to allow actual video of real violent crimes on your platform now. And even when this future does happen, do people no longer have a right to their own image and likeness? Is it okay sim…

Is it okay to imagine? To think whatever you feel like to think at the moment? Rhethorical. The future that gp describes simply helps with it. Not questioning real harm to somebody ofc (as in physical/personal harm). People never had a right to their image, because it is neither unique, nor is really theirs with all these enhancements that we call “image”. Nobody can dictate you what to think. One little step from he…

There is a world of difference between what you imagine and creating a digital likeness of someone else, that will almost certainly then be distributed. Comparing the to and comparing the banning of them to thought crimes is incredibly dishonest. And yes, people do have a right to their image and likeness, those rights are protected by law.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by alacombe »

slashdev wrote: post #525
alacombe wrote: post #483

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Should people feel pressured to accept normalized behavior which used to be seen, or are still seen, negatively ?

> Should people feel pressured to accept normalized behaviour which used to be seen, or are still seen, negatively - such as homosexuality or trans? I find that a bit of an odd question. I think people do currently feel societal pressure to be accepting of LGBTQ people. I don't think that's necessarily good or bad by itself - it just reflects the changes in society. Should parents feel pressure to be accepting of the…

> I think people do currently feel societal pressure to be accepting of LGBTQ people.

The question was not about the acceptance, but performing the acts themselves. A certain category of the LGBT community finds it offensive for straight people not to accept performing homosexual/transgender sex for themselves.

> No. I don't think people should be pressured into sex acts.

What about masturbation ? Masturbation and orgasm, especially from a woman point of view, used to be seen utterly negatively. Why would YOU judge negatively a woman masturbating / being sexually abused and degraded (both psychologically and physicall) if 1) the acts are consensual, and 2) she finds it liberating and utterly pleasurable. It's none of your business.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by Twixes »

whatever1 wrote: post #384

The amazing thing to me is how the far left and far right seem to converge to the same censorship solutions, despite the fact that that they have completely opposite ideology. I was laughing at the UK when it tried to ban pornography sites on the grounds of "morality". But it was the NYT who achieved it first. The result is the same: I don't like some of your ideas, so I will shut you completely, just in case. For th…

How is the far left _or_ the far right relevant in this? And how does the UK government _or_ NYT belong to either? Mind you that this is MasterCard and Visa who have forced this move on PH. Now, of course it's still a political issue, but internet censorship transcends the political spectrum

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Post by jessaustin »

tristor wrote: post #501
jessaustin wrote: post #434

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I don't know anything about any of these groups (I do like anime), but they had to know from the beginning that voluntary subtitling would never make any money. Even if copyright law were intended to help regular people rather than giant corporations, their work was entirely based on material they had questionable "right" to use in the first place. They scratched their own itch, and later CR had an itch too. It could…

> but they had to know from the beginning that voluntary subtitling would never make any money. Exactly zero of the fansubbing groups ever did it to make money. For most people, they were in it for the community, which included things like the prestige of having your name associated with a popular/successful project. The reason the fansub community was upset at CrunchyRoll was because not only did they take the conte…

Thanks, that makes sense.

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Post by libraryatnight »

horsawlarway wrote: post #389
sequoia wrote: post #340

It's surprising to me (perhaps shouldn't be) how many people here are discussing this issue in the abstract using terms like "broadly harmless." To these commenters: are you unaware of the issue of child porn, revenge porn, stolen content* and videos of actual rapes being uploaded to Pornhub, and Pornhub making money off of this content? If you are aware of this (the core issue), you should be grappling with these is…

I don't think you're wrong - I think you're misunderstanding the scale of what's about to come. We can already generate realistic video/audio content based on a very small sample. We're going to get custom porn in the vein of celebrity fakes, but for EVERYONE . It was limited because it used to take time/skill to make. That's changing incredibly quickly. I'm fairly conflicted about how I feel about it, too. I'd wager…

Reminds me of the Congress movie, based on The Futurological Congress but only slightly as it goes its own direction. In it actors sign off on their image to the movie studios, the studios no longer need the actors only the rights to put them in movies. They can create them in anything they want, always young, always available. This gets extrapolated out further as the film progresses.

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Post by freehunter »

totony wrote: post #450
freehunter wrote: post #193

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That helps for the cases where someone is abusing a child and the police were involved. Does it help when a 15/16/17 year old uploads their own pictures/videos without anyone knowing their actual age? Or when someone's boyfriend/girlfriend records them and uploads it without the victim knowing? Like Youtube's filter will catch me uploading a video with a Taylor Swift song in it but not someone uploading a video using…

>Does it help when a 15/16/17 year old uploads their own pictures/videos without anyone knowing their actual age? Is that even that much of an issue? Why is there such an obsession on this? >Or when someone's boyfriend/girlfriend records them and uploads it without the victim knowing? There's really no way to prevent this but to abandon privacy/force verification. It's not a problem exclusive to pornhub.

>Why is there such an obsession on this?

Because viewing/storing this material is illegal for everyone except the minor in question. If a minor posts a nude picture on Reddit and I view/save it, I'm guilty of possession of child pornography. Maybe I could get the charges dropped if I can argue/prove I didn't know they were underage, but lives are ruined over mere allegations of child sexual misconduct and that reputation would follow me everywhere.

>There's really no way to prevent this but to abandon privacy/force verification.

Which is why official producers of pornography are required by law to verify age and consent of all of their actors (18 U.S.C. § 2257). The problem is when they allow producers to distribute pornographic materials on their platform without verification that the producer is following the law, like PornHub and Reddit and Imgur and Tumblr etc. Forcing verification is already in the law for producing pornographic materials.

>It's not a problem exclusive to pornhub

Correct, but the fact that other companies are violating the law does not absolve PornHub of their responsibilities.

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Post by Andrex »

wruza wrote: post #480
Andrex wrote: post #217

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Smaller niche sites are exactly the type of pornographic sites I try to avoid (malware, etc.) And spinning up a new video host (that you intend to make money somehow) isn't cheap or easy.

>sites I try to avoid (malware, etc.) Is it still a thing? What malware can a pornsite contain that cannot be uploaded to or linked to from a regular smaller niche or bigger broader site? Do you download and run hotgirls.exe dialers or what?

Things may have 100% changed and all porn sites are now completely safe, but I am not adventurous enough to find out.

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Post by totony »

freehunter wrote: post #537
totony wrote: post #450

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>Does it help when a 15/16/17 year old uploads their own pictures/videos without anyone knowing their actual age? Is that even that much of an issue? Why is there such an obsession on this? >Or when someone's boyfriend/girlfriend records them and uploads it without the victim knowing? There's really no way to prevent this but to abandon privacy/force verification. It's not a problem exclusive to pornhub.

>Why is there such an obsession on this? Because viewing/storing this material is illegal for everyone except the minor in question. If a minor posts a nude picture on Reddit and I view/save it, I'm guilty of possession of child pornography. Maybe I could get the charges dropped if I can argue/prove I didn't know they were underage, but lives are ruined over mere allegations of child sexual misconduct and that reputa…

I understand the legality, but imo the legality itself should be challenged.

If you legit can't tell something is illegal why can you be prosecuted for it? There was no intent to harm.

Also why is it illegal? I understand child exploitation or if someone is taking advantage/not considered old enough to make that decision, but I've never really understood why it's illegal for 17 year olds to distribute nudes.

And even then, would you rather have a few false positives or more freedom and privacy?

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Post by riffic »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #62
headmelted wrote: post #37

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I might be missing something here, but if that kind of stuff really is on Reddit then I would want them to be made to take responsibility for having it on their site and suffer the consequences if it is not removed and reported to the authorities.

Genuine question: how do you scale content moderation to millions of posts without hiring millions of workers at astronomical cost (who can make mistakes, like we’ve seen with DMCA take down notices, YouTube censorship when not justified, AppStore censorship,even GitHub made these mistakes, etc... some of these mistakes ruin peoples’ livelihoods). Is there a “right way” to do this that protects everyone?

Content moderation at scale is impossible to do well:

- Any moderation policy will anger someone

- Content moderation is inherently subjective

- Errors at scale result in many errors over time

Mike Masnick goes into this at depth here:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20191111/23032743367/masni...

the three points above were taken from the video posted in this comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25419822

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