Isn't pasta just noodles with different marketing?
Nobody will eat noodles in the 22nd century. We will feed on biomechanical components and pure concentrated energy. The future is now. #DownWithPasta
Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Futurists, though, were by and large fascists. Punk is strong anti-fascist.
A punk-like movement is a product of its time and opposed to the status quo. Modern punk and Futurism are a similar idea borne out of a very different substrate. Of course it's easy in retrospect to note that (Italian) fascists and Futurist groups did cross paths during their ascent, but that does not mean that Futurism was fascist in its philosophy.
This is ahistorical. Marinetti‘s futurism was extremely fascist. His Futurist party merged with the Fascist party. He wrote the Futurist manifesto and co-wrote the Fascist manifesto.
The Futurist manifesto has “gems” such as: “We want to glorify war - the only cure for the world - militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of the anarchists, the beautiful ideas which kill, and contempt for woman.”
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#63> the popular 21st-century view that heavy pasta meals leave diners feeling equally heavy and lethargic. Pasta gets a bad rap unfairly, I think. A few years ago over the course of ~18 months, I lost 100 lbs. I ate pasta almost every day when I did this. One problem, particularly in the US, is that portion sizes are so large. This affects much more than just pasta. But in the American mind, a serving of pasta is often…
That reminds me of this meme: https://mk0dietvsdiseascuno2.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/upload...
Nice. It’s still good to have these methods for achieving the ultimate goal, people just need to stop presenting whatever works for them as the one true way.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your mention of guanciale reminded me of this delicious video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AAdKl1UYZs The serving seems gigantic though.
Big mistake: no olive oil should go in the pan where you cook the guanciale. Otherwise, everything else is legit.
This. Stuff like guanciale should cook in its own fat.
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#65Everything dates back to post-ww2. One of the key people was Ancel Keys. He falsified data and excluded significant data from his studies in order to push a narrative that saturated fats were bad for you. That eating plants was the only healthy way forward. Then the governments around the world pushed out their food pyramids that reinforced this idea. We then had obvious paradoxes where in neighbours like France and…
>Over the last several decades they have debunked and disproven this several times.
Citations please.
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#66Futurists were the most punk rock artistic movement before punk rock happened in the 70s. They even invented Industrial noise before Throbbing Gristle with Russolo's "Art of Noises" and orchestra of noise makers. The interesting thing about them is while they enjoyed shocking people and beating up their artistic rivals, they weren't nihilists like punks were: they were punk rock for technological progress rather than…
Futurists, though, were by and large fascists. Punk is strong anti-fascist.
There are fascists punks and there are anti-fascists punks and there are punks who do not care about politics.
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#67> the popular 21st-century view that heavy pasta meals leave diners feeling equally heavy and lethargic. Pasta gets a bad rap unfairly, I think. A few years ago over the course of ~18 months, I lost 100 lbs. I ate pasta almost every day when I did this. One problem, particularly in the US, is that portion sizes are so large. This affects much more than just pasta. But in the American mind, a serving of pasta is often…
As an Italian, my experience is that I can’t have any satisfaction with less than 180g of pasta. Therefore I only eat it like once a week and make it a little event. Growing up I had similar portions almost on a daily basis and I was never overweight. Trick: do sports. A lot.
I (an Englishman) ate large portions of pasta until about 5 years ago when someone suggested weighing it and now I use 85g per portion. It never seems like it's going to be enough, but it always is.
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#68Consider the weird lunacy of these folks - fine on the fringes, but very dangerous when let lose with raw ideas on civilisation.
Now consider that since probably the early 19th century this has always been happening.
Finally, consider that it's happening 'right now' - so which of the 'futurists' today are out to lunch, quite obviously so, we're just to 'caught up' to see it that way?
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Futurists, though, were by and large fascists. Punk is strong anti-fascist.
A punk-like movement is a product of its time and opposed to the status quo. Modern punk and Futurism are a similar idea borne out of a very different substrate. Of course it's easy in retrospect to note that (Italian) fascists and Futurist groups did cross paths during their ascent, but that does not mean that Futurism was fascist in its philosophy.
Marinetti’s political party: Fasci Politici Futuristi
Source: TFA
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#70Isn't pasta just noodles with different marketing?
Noodle is apparently: "late 18th century: from German Nudel, of unknown origin." (Google)
However: "Although popular legend claims Marco Polo introduced pasta to Italy following his exploration of the Far East in the late 13th century, pasta can be traced back as far as the 4th century B.C., where an Etruscan tomb showed a group of natives making what appears to be pasta." (wikipedia)
Personally I've never referred to Spaghetti as noodles, and noodles to me means long thin things you put in stir-fry/ramen. Plus, there's many other shapes of pasta other than "noodle" shaped.