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Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by trident1000 » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:17 PM UTC

apsec112 wrote: post #171

xyzzyz wrote: post #97

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They had a dispute, and filed a court case, which was dismissed. What’s undemocratic about that? If they ignored the court verdict, that would be rejection of constitution and of republican system of government, sure. However, addressing legal and constitutional complaints through justice system is as constitutional and small-r republican as one can get.

It would be perfectly legal, for example, if a bunch of prominent Democrats got together and filed a lawsuit with the Supreme Court demanding that a bunch of prominent Republicans be arrested, tried, and executed for treason. It would be thrown out immediately, for a number of good reasons. But wouldn't that be... disturbing? I don't want to live in a country where prominent political leaders ask for such things, eve…

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Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by 0x445442 » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:18 PM UTC

Hypx wrote: post #28

dkobran wrote: post #16

HP and Oracle don’t exactly represent the heart of Silicon Valley today and what makes it special/unique. I actually think zombie corporations like Oracle, companies that haven’t innovated in decades and instead rely on an army of sales people to sell legacy software, are somewhat the antithesis of Silicon Valley which is really about real technological innovation and disruption at it’s core. I know there are lots of…

Agreed. They're companies trying to avoid taxes or regulation. Only companies on the downslide really consider that as an relevant option.

Like TSLA?

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by trident1000 » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:19 PM UTC

phobosanomaly wrote: post #239

systemvoltage wrote: post #136

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Those who've downvoted this comment, can you please explain? Outdoor risk is extremely low, especially when you're walking and wearing a mask.

Read the exceptions in the actual order. https://www.lamayor.org/sites/g/files/wph446/f/page/file/202... It isn't as odious as it's made to seem. You can still grab takeout from a restaurant, buy weed, go to the grocery store, do your laundry, go to an outdoor fitness class, go to youth sports, surf at the beach, do some outdoor lap swimming, get your nails done, go to the zoo, etc. The request to fill out an online…

Lol you talk of this list of “what youre allowed to do” in a good light. I find that entertaining as someone who doesnt live there. “Wow im even allowed to get groceries today”

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by spamizbad » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:22 PM UTC

dannyincolor wrote: post #58

rectang wrote: post #38

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"Fleeing California" articles are evergreen on HN. I can never tell if there's anything new, or if it's just people voting up the usual nothingburger, presumably to express displeasure with California culture or governmental policies.

They’re evergreen anywhere you find people who low-key wish they could live in CA but can’t. It’s weird; just enjoy your state and do the best to make it better. Truly don’t get why people who don’t live in CA have so many opinions about it. Most states have problems on par with their economic power and population size; not much more too it than that but “hurr liberal policies are gonna ruin the whole country!” get t…

I live in Chicago so I know that feeling. We’ve been on the cusp of dying since the 1970s.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by atonse » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:25 PM UTC

djohnston wrote: post #83

dannyincolor wrote: post #39

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Yeah literally nothing about Oracle is useful or innovative. It’s like the WalMart of tech companies; just kind of exists and has rested on its laurels for a decade+.

Idk if that's fair to Walmart, they are definitely trying to compete with Amazon via new efforts.

Before Amazon took the crown of using technology for ruthless efficiency, Walmart was king.

I remember reading articles 10-15 years ago about how the minute someone scanned an item at the cash register, Walmart's inventory systems, which knew what product was on what shelf and in what quantity, would automatically order refills from the supplier.

They have always been highly innovative and tech savvy when it comes to the supply chain, at least for physical retail.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by wing-_-nuts » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:30 PM UTC

atonse wrote: post #255

djohnston wrote: post #83

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Idk if that's fair to Walmart, they are definitely trying to compete with Amazon via new efforts.

Before Amazon took the crown of using technology for ruthless efficiency, Walmart was king. I remember reading articles 10-15 years ago about how the minute someone scanned an item at the cash register, Walmart's inventory systems, which knew what product was on what shelf and in what quantity, would automatically order refills from the supplier. They have always been highly innovative and tech savvy when it comes to…

>the minute someone scanned an item at the cash register, Walmart's inventory systems, which knew what product was on what shelf and in what quantity

I wish this were the case, but anyone thats tried to do online grocery shopping at walmart knows that a lot of stuff shows out of stock, but is actually there in real life.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by Ericson2314 » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:31 PM UTC

Traditionally this stuff has meant race to the bottom in terms of taxes and regulations. That is terrible.

But if it instead helps wake up California to actually rezone, densify, remove prop 13, and improve social services, that could be quite good.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by commandlinefan » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:35 PM UTC

exabrial wrote: post #10

High taxes, regulations for everything, the government running every part of your personal life, cancer labels on everything... seems like a dream come true. What went wrong?

My fear as a Texan is that they're just coming here to spread the "good word".

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Post by ginko » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:36 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #245

dannyincolor wrote: post #39

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Yeah literally nothing about Oracle is useful or innovative. It’s like the WalMart of tech companies; just kind of exists and has rested on its laurels for a decade+.

They did develop GraalVM, which is quite a technical achievement, or so I've heard (not a user).

That got started under Sun, not Oracle.

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Post by tanilama » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:37 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #245

dannyincolor wrote: post #39

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Yeah literally nothing about Oracle is useful or innovative. It’s like the WalMart of tech companies; just kind of exists and has rested on its laurels for a decade+.

They did develop GraalVM, which is quite a technical achievement, or so I've heard (not a user).

Well, Oracle bought Sun, and the team behind it.

I would be more in the mood to praise Oracle for this development, had they not shown how far they could go to hurt Java's community/ecosystem just to squeeze a penny out of it.