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Re: Facebook Loses Much Face In Secret Smear On Google

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Post by phlux »

sesqu wrote: post #109
phlux wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't it be sweet if they did know about his reputation and specifically sent this to him so that Facebook would be found out. Cool - this idea is being downvoted, maybe you misunderstood my point? If an employee of facebook specifically sought to submit this to this particular reporter knowing that it may result in exposure of this plan to the world... I hate being downvoted without an explanation. What is wrong…

The mail wasn't sent by a Facebook employee, it was sent by a PR firm. You know, someone who, by definition, would not do that.

You are correct, though the scenario could still be true in that the PR firm could feign naivete in knowing that the reporter would do this, if so - then brilliant play...

Re: Facebook Loses Much Face In Secret Smear On Google

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Post by CamperBob »

bostonpete wrote: post #56
JacobAldridge wrote: post #31

A key saying I provide all my clients with in regards to corporate culture and behaviours: a fish rots from the head. Usually this means things like 'if the boss is ten minutes late to every meeting, staff will assume it's acceptable for everyone to be ten minutes late to a meeting'. Given Zuckerbeg's reputation for sneaky behaviour and this example of his PR team, I now have an excellent example to share in the futu…

> I now have an excellent example to share in the future Your comment intuitively seems correct, and I'm inclined to agree with you. But I can't help but wonder if you just end up picking examples that support this claim. Most examples of corporate wrong-doing probably can't be correlated with traits of their CEO (they're just mistakes made by inept, or possibly malicious, individuals or groups). Statistically, some…

Most examples of corporate wrong-doing probably can't be correlated with traits of their CEO (they're just mistakes made by inept, or possibly malicious, individuals or groups).

Nobody expects the CEO to be an angel. What's important is how the CEO reacts when someone under him screws up at the expense of customers, stockholders, or both.

Case in point, the Sony rootkit fiasco. Products go out the door with Sony's name on them, equipped with a 'feature' that would get any of us little people hauled before a judge on criminal charges. Response from the executive suite? Promote the manager responsible to President of the Global Digital Business division. Fast forward a few years, and consumers are still wandering around with confused, vaguely hurt looks on their faces, wondering why they never seem to get a square deal from Sony.

Same situation with Facebook: can a leopard change his spots?

Re: Facebook Loses Much Face In Secret Smear On Google

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Post by Devilboy »

orijing wrote: post #79

EDIT: I know you are all downvoting me because I open with "I was an intern", expecting some fuzzy comment in Facebook's defense. No, someone asked what Facebook thinks about this, and I offered my views: I am as confused as the rest of you. I hope the PR firm gets fired, and whoever instructed the PR firm to try this. Give me a break, guys. Stop with the Facebook hate. I was an intern at Facebook last summer, so I h…

You think Facebook would ever tell an intern about secret negative PR campaigns?

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Post by nooneelse »

nollidge wrote: post #120
jonnathanson wrote: post #100

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I think Farmville reveals a lot about the human condition. I'm totally serious. What it basically tells us is that, if left to their own devices, most people will just waste whatever time they've got. If Facebook or Farmville weren't around, it would be something else. Remember annoying email mass-forwards from your relatives and their friends? That's the kind of stuff that's no longer plaguing us because Farmville i…

For me, those annoying mass-forwards have just moved to Facebook. "Repost this on your wall if you hate cancer!" Ugh.

They have also moved to text messages. It is rather amusing seeing the necessary mechanics of that type of meme distilled down to so few characters. No room to waste buttering up your emotions. No, they get right down to things like "Fwd to 10 people or BAD LUCK is on you tonight!"

Re: Facebook Loses Much Face In Secret Smear On Google

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Post by merraksh »

phlux wrote: post #121
sesqu wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mail wasn't sent by a Facebook employee, it was sent by a PR firm. You know, someone who, by definition, would not do that.

You are correct, though the scenario could still be true in that the PR firm could feign naivete in knowing that the reporter would do this, if so - then brilliant play...

But hasn't the PR firm lost their face too? If the PR had an intent (expose FB's tactics), I wonder if they could have done it differently.

Re: Facebook Loses Much Face In Secret Smear On Google

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Post by freshfunk »

gobongo wrote: post #103
freshfunk wrote: post #101

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I think the war against a former employer is an interesting position to be in but anybody who actually believes in the "Dont Be Evil" slogan anymore is a fool, even if they work at Google. It's not that they are evil, but I don't think they are particularly different from any of the other decent corporations out there. When it comes to war (and, yes, this is war), companies will go to extreme lengths to win. This mea…

"When it comes to war (and, yes, this is war" Spoken like somebody that has never been anywhere near a war. How many casualities have there been in this Google/Facebook war? How many innocent civilians killed as collateral damage? How much forced migration resulting in starvation, out-of-control refugee situations, etc?

Literal much?

OK, fine, "corporate war."

Happy? You must be great at parties.

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Post by cscheid »

sid0 wrote: post #75
yalogin wrote: post #57

The only chink in Google's armor is privacy so facebook had no other option. But as the saying goes - The sun cannot call the stove hot.

That's an interesting variation of the saying. If you don't mind my asking, is that translated from a different language, and if so, what language?

fwiw, brazilian portuguese (at least around my family!) has "the dirty speaking of the unwashed"

Re: Facebook Loses Much Face In Secret Smear On Google

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Post by orijing »

Devilboy wrote: post #123
orijing wrote: post #79

EDIT: I know you are all downvoting me because I open with "I was an intern", expecting some fuzzy comment in Facebook's defense. No, someone asked what Facebook thinks about this, and I offered my views: I am as confused as the rest of you. I hope the PR firm gets fired, and whoever instructed the PR firm to try this. Give me a break, guys. Stop with the Facebook hate. I was an intern at Facebook last summer, so I h…

You think Facebook would ever tell an intern about secret negative PR campaigns?

The company was very open internally. Everything a full timer knew, an intern could easily find out.

Re: Facebook Loses Much Face In Secret Smear On Google

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Post by dxbydt »

brown9-2 wrote: post #83
rryan wrote: post #78

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Not sure about the Graph API, but your name, your profile picture, and your contact list are all fully public information and you can't control their visibility.

Are you sure about that? How does one access this info? If I go to " rel="nofollow">http://graph.facebook.com/ , the only data that is visible is: { "id": "...", "name": "...", "first_name": "...", "last_name": "...", "username": "...", "gender": "male", "locale": "en_US" }

http://bit.ly/jcvm4R

That's my list of the first 50 people who joined Facebook, using the Graph API & a bit of Java. Look for Saverin, Zuckerberg, Moskovitz & rest of the gang. Its all in there!

Wrote this to find the first million facebook signons.

Re: Facebook Loses Much Face In Secret Smear On Google

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Post by lwat »

orijing wrote: post #128
Devilboy wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think Facebook would ever tell an intern about secret negative PR campaigns?

The company was very open internally. Everything a full timer knew, an intern could easily find out.

You think the'd tell the full-timers about secret smear campaigns against competitors?
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