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Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Post by scottlocklin »

Futurists were the most punk rock artistic movement before punk rock happened in the 70s. They even invented Industrial noise before Throbbing Gristle with Russolo's "Art of Noises" and orchestra of noise makers. The interesting thing about them is while they enjoyed shocking people and beating up their artistic rivals, they weren't nihilists like punks were: they were punk rock for technological progress rather than sticking bolts through their noses in defiance of de-industrialization.

"Pasta is a cruel and brutalizing food that makes you lazy and sentimental."

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Post by konschubert »

asveikau wrote: post #6

> the popular 21st-century view that heavy pasta meals leave diners feeling equally heavy and lethargic. Pasta gets a bad rap unfairly, I think. A few years ago over the course of ~18 months, I lost 100 lbs. I ate pasta almost every day when I did this. One problem, particularly in the US, is that portion sizes are so large. This affects much more than just pasta. But in the American mind, a serving of pasta is often…

That reminds me of this meme:

https://mk0dietvsdiseascuno2.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/upload...

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Post by mhd »

camillomiller wrote: post #7
asveikau wrote: post #6

> the popular 21st-century view that heavy pasta meals leave diners feeling equally heavy and lethargic. Pasta gets a bad rap unfairly, I think. A few years ago over the course of ~18 months, I lost 100 lbs. I ate pasta almost every day when I did this. One problem, particularly in the US, is that portion sizes are so large. This affects much more than just pasta. But in the American mind, a serving of pasta is often…

As an Italian, my experience is that I can’t have any satisfaction with less than 180g of pasta. Therefore I only eat it like once a week and make it a little event. Growing up I had similar portions almost on a daily basis and I was never overweight. Trick: do sports. A lot.

If that's uncooked pasta, that's about 650+ calories, right? If the sauce ain't too heavy and that's the main dish of the day, even without sports that shouldn't be a big issue.

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Post by arnejenssen »

I recently used the Libre Sense continuous glucose sensor as an experiment (I don't have diabetes).

I noticed that after eating pasta, my blood sugar stayed elevated for 4-5 hours. It looks like calling pasta and bread "slow carbs" is appropriate.

One of my conclusions from the experiment is that I will probably never buy wheat again (but I'll eat it if I get it served).

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Post by theelous3 »

arrrg wrote: post #11
camillomiller wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Italian, my experience is that I can’t have any satisfaction with less than 180g of pasta. Therefore I only eat it like once a week and make it a little event. Growing up I had similar portions almost on a daily basis and I was never overweight. Trick: do sports. A lot.

180g cooked or uncooked? Portions with 125g of uncooked pasta feel fine to me. That‘s 450 calories. Plus sauce (200 on the low end, 350 calories on the high end, depending on what exactly you want to eat – 200 calories would be something like a 400g can of tomatoes, garlic, onions, some olive oil) and cheese (100 calories for 25g Parmesan) you end up with a meal that‘s between 750 and 900 calories. That between a nor…

Why would you ever eat uncooked pasta?

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Post by camillomiller »

arrrg wrote: post #11
camillomiller wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Italian, my experience is that I can’t have any satisfaction with less than 180g of pasta. Therefore I only eat it like once a week and make it a little event. Growing up I had similar portions almost on a daily basis and I was never overweight. Trick: do sports. A lot.

180g cooked or uncooked? Portions with 125g of uncooked pasta feel fine to me. That‘s 450 calories. Plus sauce (200 on the low end, 350 calories on the high end, depending on what exactly you want to eat – 200 calories would be something like a 400g can of tomatoes, garlic, onions, some olive oil) and cheese (100 calories for 25g Parmesan) you end up with a meal that‘s between 750 and 900 calories. That between a nor…

Uncooked. depends on the pasta type though. Spaghetti can be easily 180g. Penne, Fusilli or Rigatoni, let's say 150g.

My sauces are generally quite light. I'm vegetarian, so they never involve calorie-dense ingredients such as guanciale or pancetta. (I know, I know, what am I missing and so on... :D)

For me pasta means less ingredients as possible, at the highest possible quality.

Examples: Fresh Tomato-Basil Spaghetti. I use only spaghetti from selected Italian brands such as De Cecco - low end but extremely good in my opinion - Rummo or Gentile, organic Tomatoes from a fresh food store, my own home-grown basil, extra virgin olive oil from Calabria, chili also from Calabria, extra-fine tomato extract from Mutti.

Fettucelle burro e limone: Fettuccelle DeCecco, Irish butter, Bio shallots, Phu Quoc black pepper, organic Lemons (from Sorrento when in Italy, just bio when here in Germany) for the juice and the zest.

Fusilli or Rigatoni alla Norma. Organic tomato sauce from Mutti with pieces of tomatoes, organic aubergines from Italy, same olive oil from Calabria, same chili from calabria, my own basil...

And so on: Aglio e Olio e Peperoncino, Arrabbiata, Puttanesca, Pasta all'aglione, ecc.. The sauce is never heavy, and the pasta itself can shine. As you can see I also never cook pasta as an afterthought. This way, you can definitely control how much you eat.

Habits subjected to radically change when I visit mamma e babbo back in Italy.

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Post by camillomiller »

theelous3 wrote: post #25
arrrg wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

180g cooked or uncooked? Portions with 125g of uncooked pasta feel fine to me. That‘s 450 calories. Plus sauce (200 on the low end, 350 calories on the high end, depending on what exactly you want to eat – 200 calories would be something like a 400g can of tomatoes, garlic, onions, some olive oil) and cheese (100 calories for 25g Parmesan) you end up with a meal that‘s between 750 and 900 calories. That between a nor…

Why would you ever eat uncooked pasta?

You weight pasta when it's uncooked. That's the usual way.

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Post by camillomiller »

prower wrote: post #12
camillomiller wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Italian, my experience is that I can’t have any satisfaction with less than 180g of pasta. Therefore I only eat it like once a week and make it a little event. Growing up I had similar portions almost on a daily basis and I was never overweight. Trick: do sports. A lot.

Wow, we usually eat around 250g of pasta divided by 3 people. 180g only for you? Congratulations! Full disclosure: we're also all very sedentary

Yep, only once or maybe twice a week. Always for lunch, on a day I train ;)

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Post by jmnicolas »

arnejenssen wrote: post #24

I recently used the Libre Sense continuous glucose sensor as an experiment (I don't have diabetes). I noticed that after eating pasta, my blood sugar stayed elevated for 4-5 hours. It looks like calling pasta and bread "slow carbs" is appropriate. One of my conclusions from the experiment is that I will probably never buy wheat again (but I'll eat it if I get it served).

> I noticed that after eating pasta, my blood sugar stayed elevated for 4-5 hours.

But how long your blood sugar stayed high after eating "fast carbs"?

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Post by asveikau »

konschubert wrote: post #22
asveikau wrote: post #6

> the popular 21st-century view that heavy pasta meals leave diners feeling equally heavy and lethargic. Pasta gets a bad rap unfairly, I think. A few years ago over the course of ~18 months, I lost 100 lbs. I ate pasta almost every day when I did this. One problem, particularly in the US, is that portion sizes are so large. This affects much more than just pasta. But in the American mind, a serving of pasta is often…

That reminds me of this meme: https://mk0dietvsdiseascuno2.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/upload...

That's amusing on one level, but I do know that many struggle to create a caloric deficit, and some foods do seem to make it easier to feel full with less.
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