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Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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> the popular 21st-century view that heavy pasta meals leave diners feeling equally heavy and lethargic. Pasta gets a bad rap unfairly, I think. A few years ago over the course of ~18 months, I lost 100 lbs. I ate pasta almost every day when I did this. One problem, particularly in the US, is that portion sizes are so large. This affects much more than just pasta. But in the American mind, a serving of pasta is often…

As an Italian, my experience is that I can’t have any satisfaction with less than 180g of pasta. Therefore I only eat it like once a week and make it a little event. Growing up I had similar portions almost on a daily basis and I was never overweight. Trick: do sports. A lot.

180g cooked or uncooked?

Portions with 125g of uncooked pasta feel fine to me. That‘s 450 calories. Plus sauce (200 on the low end, 350 calories on the high end, depending on what exactly you want to eat – 200 calories would be something like a 400g can of tomatoes, garlic, onions, some olive oil) and cheese (100 calories for 25g Parmesan) you end up with a meal that‘s between 750 and 900 calories.

That between a normal and large-ish meal, though in both cases not exactly huge. Definitely something you could conceivably eat every day without much trouble, though I do agree that something with less carbs would probably be a bit more filling.

125g uncooked dried pasta should be about 280g cooked pasta.

Don’t get me wrong, I can eat 180g of uncooked pasta no problem. But that tends to go right up to the line of feeling very full.

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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post #6

> the popular 21st-century view that heavy pasta meals leave diners feeling equally heavy and lethargic. Pasta gets a bad rap unfairly, I think. A few years ago over the course of ~18 months, I lost 100 lbs. I ate pasta almost every day when I did this. One problem, particularly in the US, is that portion sizes are so large. This affects much more than just pasta. But in the American mind, a serving of pasta is often…

As an Italian, my experience is that I can’t have any satisfaction with less than 180g of pasta. Therefore I only eat it like once a week and make it a little event. Growing up I had similar portions almost on a daily basis and I was never overweight. Trick: do sports. A lot.

Wow, we usually eat around 250g of pasta divided by 3 people. 180g only for you? Congratulations!

Full disclosure: we're also all very sedentary

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Italian, my experience is that I can’t have any satisfaction with less than 180g of pasta. Therefore I only eat it like once a week and make it a little event. Growing up I had similar portions almost on a daily basis and I was never overweight. Trick: do sports. A lot.

If you put a lot of fat in your pasta (e.g., guanciale) then you get filled with a much smaller serving, like 100g.

Your mention of guanciale reminded me of this delicious video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AAdKl1UYZs

The serving seems gigantic though.

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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post #2

"Futurism’s ties to fascism are not a thing to brush off lightly, but it’s also important to remember that Marinetti believed it was the artist’s duty to put forward a bold public personae. He lived to ruffle feathers." Jesus christ what an abominable thing to write. Let me say something shouldn't be brushed off lightly while brushing it off lightly. Clueless.

Agreed. “Ruffling feathers” is an alarming depiction of Fascists.

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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I love these events that makes food, cuisine and gastronomy political.

In France, cuisine critics Gault et Millau attacked the fat, slow cooked, sauce heavy French cuisine for the same reason, opening the way for the new French cuisine "chefs". Pleasures of the senses over satiety.

Earlier, Etienne Auguste Parmentier used elaborate tactics to have the potato accepted by the population, from fake guards around the fields and pamphlets against the various roots people used to eat when low on wheat.

During the French Revolution, cuisine was also purged from its aristocratic attributes, prohibiting the unnecessary complexities. Maybe inspired by the Protestant reform culinary ethos where food should be fresh, humble and roborative.

Nice stories.

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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> And pasta is anti-virile because a heavy, bloated stomach does not encourage physical enthusiasm for a woman, nor favour the possibility of possessing her at any time.

This might be time-appropriate for 1930, but leaving that drivel uncommented perpetuates the oppression and violence immanent in it.

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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post #14
post #2

"Futurism’s ties to fascism are not a thing to brush off lightly, but it’s also important to remember that Marinetti believed it was the artist’s duty to put forward a bold public personae. He lived to ruffle feathers." Jesus christ what an abominable thing to write. Let me say something shouldn't be brushed off lightly while brushing it off lightly. Clueless.

Agreed. “Ruffling feathers” is an alarming depiction of Fascists.

I think the claim is that futurists lived to ruffle feathers, not fascists. Which doesn't seem an euphemism to me.

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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post #16

> And pasta is anti-virile because a heavy, bloated stomach does not encourage physical enthusiasm for a woman, nor favour the possibility of possessing her at any time. This might be time-appropriate for 1930, but leaving that drivel uncommented perpetuates the oppression and violence immanent in it.

Well, this is diet advice from Italian Fascists.

Re: Anti-Pasta: When Italian Futurists Tried to Ban Pasta in Italy

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you put a lot of fat in your pasta (e.g., guanciale) then you get filled with a much smaller serving, like 100g.

Your mention of guanciale reminded me of this delicious video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AAdKl1UYZs The serving seems gigantic though.

Cool video! It's very easy to do (provided you have the ingredients). The serving in the video seems to be for 3 people. It's a really greasy dish, there's no way you can eat all of that alone.
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