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Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by tesmar2 »

ewmiller wrote: post #32
tesmar2 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd imagine the owners will, but who knows about the employees. Liberalization in general is happening through the government schools. Pull the kids out, teach them at home or put them in a private school you trust.

“Liberalization” is a massive generalization and I don’t see what connection you’re making between public school curricula and reasons someone might move out of Silicon Valley. It seems a bit silly to do so. Besides high housing demand and concentrated wealth, what contributed to the way Silicon Valley is today that has anything to do with public schooling?

I'm not talking about why someone might move out of Silicon Valley, but as a response to the gp, explaining that the policies aren't being imported from CA. They're being home grown, in TX, in the government schools.

If the parents value fiscal conservatism and traditional values, they'll pull their kids out of government schools and teach them themselves. This will also strengthen the family bonds, weakening the power of the state to make such bad calls.

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Post by runamok »

kibwen wrote: post #151
alisonkisk wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because CA has perfect weather which is the one thing that is completely impossible to replicate anywhere else.

The 50 square miles of SF has perfect weather, if you're not put off by cold and clingy fog. The other 160,000 square miles is as much of a mixed bag as any other state (with the exception of Hawaii, which actually has perfect weather).

It depends on what you like to do outdoors I guess. I've lived in southern or northern california for almost 20 years and can pretty much run 365 days a year and bike almost that much. I HAVE run in snow storms in Illinois and North Carolina and heat waves in Houston and Austin, TX so my range of "comfort" is definitely a bit wider than the average person but in general the whole of California has near perfect weather IMO though it does get very hot as you go inland in the summer.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by g42gregory »

Oracle, HPE, Schwab may not be the hubs of innovation, but they acquire a lot of SV startups, supporting the startup ecosystem. Of course Google, FB will continue to acquire startups just fine, but the pool of acquiring money just got a bit smaller. If large companies continue to leave, they pool will get even smaller over time. I think it represents a potential problem for SV. These departures affect B2B startups so far. But, what happens if Twitter moves HQ? I remember Jack Dorsey saying the SF workforce does not reflect Twitter's user base and he was considering to adjust that.

I think that talks of the wealth tax in CA, is another problem. Now that the possibility has been put forward, the high-net individuals may not be waiting around for that to happen. High-net individuals are funding a lot of startup ecosystem as well. I think that might be a problem.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by lwansbrough »

Jerry2 wrote: post #164
lwansbrough wrote: post #31

These threads have to go. They attract the worst comments HN has to offer.

Yes, let's censor and ban everything you don't agree with.

The quality of comments was substantially worse when I commented. But even still, this thread is barely more than political rhetoric poorly disguised as personal opinions on the bay area. Many of which come from people who haven’t lived there and are using caricatures of lifestyle and people who are from there as the foundation for their opinions.

Threads get closed for less all the time.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Post by WillYouFinish »

cheriot wrote: post #29
dkobran wrote: post #16

HP and Oracle don’t exactly represent the heart of Silicon Valley today and what makes it special/unique. I actually think zombie corporations like Oracle, companies that haven’t innovated in decades and instead rely on an army of sales people to sell legacy software, are somewhat the antithesis of Silicon Valley which is really about real technological innovation and disruption at it’s core. I know there are lots of…

HP moving to Texas is the corporate version of my grandparents retiring to Florida.

Except HP is not retiring and no-ones grandparent.

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Post by cameldrv »

fairity wrote: post #61
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #24

This general topic seems to come back into focus on a regular basis on HN (last time, 1 week ago). People have been leaving SV in numbers for the 30 years I've been here, always citing traffic & cost of housing as the primary reasons. Though this time, you could add decriminalization of petty crime. Nonetheless, the population growth remains net positive. The fundamental design of the Internet was to be robust agains…

Since cities thrive based on network effects, my question is: did everyone in past exoduses move to the same location? If not, is that not a good reason to believe this time will be different? Smart, ambitious people tend to congregate, and capital follows. If during past exoduses, people moved to random places, I can see why SV remained the primary magnet. But, this time everyone seems to be moving to Seattle and Au…

CA still has the advantage of no noncompetes. It's fairly standard for Texas companies to require an enforceable noncompete. These companies are sort of like mules -- born from perhaps many fertile companies, but produce no offspring.

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

etherwaste wrote: post #173
9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think hackers or hacker news wants to identify as leftists, whatever that means, to begin with? I don't understand why would you take it for granted and why even think a huge website should share the same world view.

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Why do you even talk about race, what's the relevance. I have no idea where you're going with this but I can sense a digwhistle here.

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Post by MAGZine »

octoberfranklin wrote: post #221
MAGZine wrote: post #69

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Citation needed? In my experience, SFHowners who live in a primarily residential neighborhood generally don't want condos if they live in Texas or Maine or California.

> > There's a lot of land in Texas > Citation needed? Somebody buy this guy a map.

California has a lot of land, too, and more habitable then texas imo.

People don't want sprawl. The live in sf because it's a city with an urban center. It's why, despite hours of traffic, people live in sf instead of mountain view, cupertino, etc. It REQUIRES densification. Sprawl will not meet this demand.

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Post by phobosanomaly »

systemvoltage wrote: post #136
trident1000 wrote: post #47

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The LA mayor is telling people to not walk outside because of covid. If thats not absurd big liberal govt policy idk what is. Who would want to live somewhere where the govt thinks they can do that. Your rights as a person dont vanish in a crisis. https://fortune.com/2020/12/03/los-angeles-new-lockdown-rule... dannyincolor - He issued an order. Its not an ask. This isnt a where you live thing, this is a govt overstep…

Those who've downvoted this comment, can you please explain? Outdoor risk is extremely low, especially when you're walking and wearing a mask.

Read the exceptions in the actual order.

https://www.lamayor.org/sites/g/files/wph446/f/page/file/202...

It isn't as odious as it's made to seem.

You can still grab takeout from a restaurant, buy weed, go to the grocery store, do your laundry, go to an outdoor fitness class, go to youth sports, surf at the beach, do some outdoor lap swimming, get your nails done, go to the zoo, etc. The request to fill out an online form is a very, very basic attempt at contact tracing that is pretty non-invasive.

City of LA was facing a situation where its hospitals were going to wind up being effectively closed due to loss of capacity. Seems like a decent justification for extraordinary measures. Look at Barstow Community right now. 114% of inpatient beds occupied by COVID patients (as-of 12/15). Imagine if LA hospitals looked like that. It would be apocalyptic.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/09/9443799...

As it is, even with that order having gone into effect, ICU capacity in LA county as-of the 11th is 2.7%.

https://www.kqed.org/news/11850757/california-icu-capacity-s...

Plus, if you look at a map of what actually constitutes the City of LA proper, it's a pretty tiny, but extremely high-density slice of the 'Greater LA Area.'

If you really, really want to wander around DTLA, just tell the cops you're walking to the grocery store. They're not walking around arresting anyone who steps outside.

This is a tool that lets city authorities put the brakes on people doing egregiously stupid stuff. They're not stopping people on the street like the gestapo for going about their business.

So, in short the parent comment seemed to express a knee-jerk reaction to a policy without offering an attempt at a reasoned assessment of the context and policy alternatives facing the City, as well as a pragmatic appreciation for the reality of enforcement on the ground. If they offered a viable alternative that seemed reasonable and well thought-out rather than just calling it an "absurd big liberal govt policy" I wouldn't have downvoted. Doesn't matter who runs the city, Repub or Dem, if when you call 911 there's nowhere for the ambulance to take you.

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Post by RhysU »

sremani wrote: post #141
dannyincolor wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is public transit in Austin? Scalable for urban sprawl? I don’t know much about it from an on-the-ground POV

There are no real geographic barriers stopping Austin's growth. I am not in Austin but if I have to guess, the public transport sucks balls. You have to have Car unless you live in the urban core. The bigger problem in Austin is, their nimbyism manifested in such a way that City and County constrain the growth by not expanding the infrastructure. But the land is there - the city can grow into a bigger metro.

Well, there's a river with too few bridges.
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