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Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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There's a lot of land in Texas, and they're not opposed to building high rises.

Citation needed? In my experience, SFHowners who live in a primarily residential neighborhood generally don't want condos if they live in Texas or Maine or California.

> > There's a lot of land in Texas

> Citation needed?

Somebody buy this guy a map.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Also, not opposed to building explody chemical plants near residential areas. But I suppose the Oracle folks moving in have enough money to avoid that.

The name "Silicon Valley" refers to the fact that the whole region is perforated with Superfund sites. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfund

yeah because you know silicon is so very toxic

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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I wonder if the people fleeing California will end up voting for the same bad policies that are the reason they had to leave in the first place. That is, do they connect the bad policies to the bad outcomes, or will they still favor the bad policies? There is one major area for tech people where Texas may prove a nasty surprise to employees: non-compete agreements. For large employers this may be a bonus though as th…

Texas doesn't have a full time legislature so unlike California the amount of damage they can do is limited.

I dearly love this aspect of Texas. It is such total genius.

And the escapades with legislators fleeing the state in order to block legislation makes for hilarity.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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What particular policies did people vote for that contributed to their reasons for fleeing?

The LA mayor is telling people to not walk outside because of covid. If thats not absurd big liberal govt policy idk what is. Who would want to live somewhere where the govt thinks they can do that. Your rights as a person dont vanish in a crisis. https://fortune.com/2020/12/03/los-angeles-new-lockdown-rule... dannyincolor - He issued an order. Its not an ask. This isnt a where you live thing, this is a govt overstep…

This is classic troll bait. Railing against the mayor of LA in a thread about housing and employment in the Bay Area. No opportunity to rant about big government must be left untaken, no matter how much of a stretch it is.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Most economists agree that a land value tax is economically the best kind of tax. Imagine property tax is 0. Why would anyone ever sell? All the land would effectively be owned by hereditary feudal lords. Texas has higher property taxes than California but more affordable housing. Makes you think.

Funny enough, I actually agree with this, at least from an economics perspective. I'd much rather get rid of the income tax and have higher property taxes. That seems much more efficient to me.

Move to New Hampshire then. There’s no escaping federal income taxes, but the is no state income tax or sales tax. Just a slightly higher property tax, and a lower state budget.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Look up James Damore if you want one of the more canonical examples of this. Essentially, "tolerance" has been redefined as a term to essentially just mean "liberalism"; whenever you hear someone suggesting that one "be tolerant", you can just mentally replace that with "be liberal". The term is leveled at folks like yourself, who are deemed intolerant and illiberal for having and trying to perpetuate a different val…

Hey! Thanks for replying with your explanation. Personally I am not sure if I can see Google’s firing of James Damore as being evidence of liberal bias given the news (feels like it’s increased trust this past year?) they also fire AI researchers and union organizers. I think for me it seems more like Google is just very much against people speaking up about anything. I also agree with your comments about how people…

> I think for me it seems more like Google is just very much against people speaking up about anything.

Perhaps you're right; certainly I would cleave off Google's private interests (shutting up people who damage their business prospects) from Google's idealized public position (good, diverse, modern liberal values, a trusted source of information, etc). Few people know what their management _really_ thinks or talks about, but we do know their public position well.

Consider this, at least: when firing James Damore, it was absolutely not necessary or expected for them to say anything about how this shouldn't impact efforts to continue to make sure white males are represented in the workplace - quite the contrary.

> from my personal experience I can’t really ascribe this to either liberals or conservatives particularly.

If you reread my post, hopefully it should be clear that I actually did ascribe this behaviour to everyone. The issue in CA is that, at least in urban areas, the liberal value set is the norm, and is enforced as such, much as Christianity would have been enforced a century ago in many cities. For those implicitly doing the enforcement, ranging from thought leaders to city politicians to moms posting on Facebook, it's just the water they swim in; virtue is on a single axis and like most good people they want to swim upstream. It's not "particularly intolerant" in the grand scheme of things, compared to other such cultural centers throughout history, but it is particularly intolerant of anything outside of postmodern American liberalism today, and is perhaps (outside of maybe NYC) the biggest enclave of such thought in the world.

> If you have personal experiences with intolerance in CA being worse than other places

CA and the Hollywood->SF corridor in particular export their value set to the entire world, never mind just America. The intolerance for free speech, conservative or third position values that we see on social media today stems from this. It's not enough to enforce it within their own cities, rather it seems that they need to export it in the form of regulations and propaganda that continually escalates in intensity over time.

It's not far from the proselytizing behaviour that religion has had forever; memetically speaking, it's actually entirely logical that any successful cultural set of values and ideas would have to propagate itself via word and deed in order to survive and grow generationally. In many ways, liberalism is just a third-rate religion; it may have some improvements in select places over the traditional value set that it replaces, but has lost the ability to truly create communities somehow in the process.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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post #7

I wonder if the people fleeing California will end up voting for the same bad policies that are the reason they had to leave in the first place. That is, do they connect the bad policies to the bad outcomes, or will they still favor the bad policies? There is one major area for tech people where Texas may prove a nasty surprise to employees: non-compete agreements. For large employers this may be a bonus though as th…

I left downtown SF in 2018 for Nashville and couldn't be happier. I am fiscally conservative/libertarian so definitely did not align with the bay area politics and echo chamber. The last three years in Nashville have been some of my happiest, but also the most financially successful of my life. Just purchased a home here in Nashville that would be unobtanium in California. I made this point about not voting for the s…

HN has a very anti-libertarian echo chamber. It's kinda sad.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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These threads have to go. They attract the worst comments HN has to offer.

Yes, let's censor and ban everything you don't agree with.

On a very small number of topics HN does appear to do that. My list so far: cryptocurrencies and urbanism.

It's really weird that this site has fairly balanced discussions of just about everything except those two topics. Whenver those two topics come up the result is incredibly one-sided. Like somebody powerful and opinionated has their finger on the scale...

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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I guess you're implying that old people are the reason for high housing prices in SV. Respectfully, what are the bad policies my parents are responsible for, besides pioneering the technology that makes you want to live in SV? And buying a house for 85k in a nice neighborhood in order to do so, without forseeing that Facebook and friends were going to move in and make their house unaffordable were it not for the prot…

Proposition 13, mentioned by a sibling comment.

Two counterpoints:

- Direct your discontent toward the corporations and landlords who are exploiting Prop 13 when it wasn't intended for them. It was intended to protect homeowners (often on retirement income) from skyrocketing property values that is out of their control. It's done great at that, but unfortunately (like any regulation) has also been exploited by the greedy.

- That aside, don't presume to be entitled to buy the house you want in the place you want it to be for the amount you want to pay for it. It sucks that I can't afford to buy a nice home in my hometown because FAANG came in and made it the place to be, but I'm also not entitled to that. The notion that people like my parents ought to be taxed out of their home so that well-off twentysomethings can have a more favorable property market really grinds my gears. There are lots of people trying to just live in their hard-earned homes after doing the work and taking the risks of building the tech industry, and most of them didn't become wealthy venture capitalists in the end. Just like most of us won't.

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