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FTC issues orders to nine social media and video streaming services

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Facebook, WhatsApp, Snap, Twitter, YouTube, ByteDance, Twitch, Reddit, and Discord.

It might be useful to put TikTok in parentheses for ByteDance, since that's their flagship product and most people (myself included) do/did not know that ByteDance is the company behind TikTok.

On the contrary I would guess most people here know what ByteDance is.

https://hn.algolia.com/?q=bytedance

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Interesting, they have discord there. It's monetization strategy has been quite different than every other entity listed there. So far it's been mostly trying to sell stuff to their users. Pretty much every other company they list displays ads. Like even whats app now has plans for Ads.

Where are the ads in WhatsApp? I assume I'm lucky enough to have not been in the group they're showing ads to yet.

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>how social media and video streaming services collect, use, track, estimate, or derive personal and demographic information; Facebook can definitely figure out your race , and the race of who you've dated. I told this story here before but back in the early days of facebook, I had dated a Korean girl for a brief period of time and then the moment we broke up via facebook messenger, I start getting spammed with ads f…

What has trump achieved on social media?

88.6 million followers

Re: FTC issues orders to nine social media and video streaming services

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Here is the actual order (PDF warning): https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/6b-orders...

I would encourage everyone to read it. My personal take is that this is a ridiculous amount of homework to do in 45 days, and is essentially the FTC asking for not only these companies' "secret sauce" but also their confidential bookkeeping. I would be astounded if none of them challenged this order.

For example, requirement 12.d.: "Submit all documents related to the Company's strategies or plans, including but not limited to research and development efforts." It is not clear the FTC has this kind of authority to essentially demand "what are your trade secrets and future business plans?"

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Something big is brewing. I think there is going to be a big push to reign in social media. I've thought long about this and can only think of one way to regulate them. I would propose that people are allowed x degrees of separation. As a regular user I can only go n+2 connections. After that the content is not seen no matter how popular. It will kill virility but should reign in stupidity being broadcast. To increas…

This seems interesting - clearly the friction in sharing everything with everyone is far lower online than before. Before, you had to consume finite resources (time, energy, postage stamps, etc.) to tell someone else about something. This gave a natural rate limit. As a thought experiment, what if the degrees of separation were less rigidly enforced, but people's "power of voice" decays the further it goes from those…

Any governmental rules restricting who can talk to whom or to how many others will run into first amendment issues, at least in the USA.

Re: FTC issues orders to nine social media and video streaming services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>how social media and video streaming services collect, use, track, estimate, or derive personal and demographic information; Facebook can definitely figure out your race , and the race of who you've dated. I told this story here before but back in the early days of facebook, I had dated a Korean girl for a brief period of time and then the moment we broke up via facebook messenger, I start getting spammed with ads f…

What has trump achieved on social media?

Mostly making a fool of himself.

Re: FTC issues orders to nine social media and video streaming services

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>how social media and video streaming services collect, use, track, estimate, or derive personal and demographic information; Facebook can definitely figure out your race , and the race of who you've dated. I told this story here before but back in the early days of facebook, I had dated a Korean girl for a brief period of time and then the moment we broke up via facebook messenger, I start getting spammed with ads f…

This is not posturing. The FTC is independent of any given administration.

Interestingly the commissioner that dissented is a Trump appointee.

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What has trump achieved on social media?

Mostly making a fool of himself.

You call it making a fool out of himself, I call it winning the Republican primary, getting 63 and later 74 million people to vote for him, winning one election, and coming within 100,000 votes of winning a second one, despite being a walking embodiment of anti-democracy. If it weren't for COVID-19, he might well have won.

You shouldn't be laughing at him, and people like him. You should be scared of them.

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If that was a legal rule for the internet it would make it illegal for most people to communicate with each other. I don't think this idea is well thought through. That would actually be the government regulating speech and arguably freedom of assembly.

Its not regulating the speech, its regulating the audience. You have the right to speak, not the right to be heard.

The point is the government doesn't get to decide who is allowed to listen.
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