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The PornHub count was an external study, the Facebook count was internal. So if either is effected by internal standards not counting things, its the Facebook number.
Isn't Pornhub's content always public, whereas Facebook's can be segregated to smaller groups of people? If that's the case it seems that illegal content could remain undetected for far longer on FB rather than Pornhub.
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I think this is a point that tech folks like to sweep under the rug all too often. All of these sound wrong: - Walmarts are huge! It's impossible to build fire suppression at that scale. - Ford builds an insane number of cars every year, it's not possible to ensure each car is safe at that scale. - The United States burns 20,000 barrels of oil PER DAY. It's simply not possible to ensure a "safe" product at that scale…
Fire suppression systems fail, cars get recalled or malfunction, people get food poisoning in restaurants or from food bought at a supermarket. Any product, not just tech, runs into problems when manufactured at scale. Tech is more visible because it is newer and in the spotlight. Nobody says "stop manufacturing cars" when one manufacturer issues a safety recall because cars have been around so long. The entire premi…
I strongly disagree. Pornhub just purged 10 million videos because they couldn't moderate out child porn and rape videos.
There's terrible content all over Facebook
- Using Facebook's own numbers ~750,000 instances of "child nudity and sexual exploitation" were reported by users before being removed in Q3 2020. https://transparency.facebook.com/community-standards-enforc...
- Facebook’s improved AI isn’t preventing harmful content from spreading https://venturebeat.com/2020/11/19/facebooks-improved-ai-isn...
- Despite Facebook ban on Holocaust denial, it’s still easy to find https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/despite-facebook-ban-on-holoc...
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Or just let the whole middleman as a service industry keep rotting, and direct your technical energy towards rebuilding services on distributed technologies that won't succumb to the whims of the status quo power structure. What made the Internet great was being an unregulated frontier, and we can see that everywhere the legacy system jams its tentacles ends up turning to commercialized milquetoast shit.
Power is important, but without economics, it's just an academic research project/network. Yeah, that made the Internet great in the beginning, and there are projects that don't depend on being "monetized", such as the OG hardcore F/OSS ones (GNU, Debian, KDE/Gnome, CCC, Wikipedia) and their ideological offspring (peertube, mastodon, matrix.org, blender). But the average user doesn't care and doesn't understand the i…
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Genuine question: how do you scale content moderation to millions of posts without hiring millions of workers at astronomical cost (who can make mistakes, like we’ve seen with DMCA take down notices, YouTube censorship when not justified, AppStore censorship,even GitHub made these mistakes, etc... some of these mistakes ruin peoples’ livelihoods). Is there a “right way” to do this that protects everyone?
If a business can't run profitably and legally at scale, then that business model is a bad fit for that scale and shouldn't exist at that scale (presuming the laws in question are reasonable, which I think 'banning child porn' qualifies as.) It's super weird that people seem to constantly start from the premise of, "But their business couldn't possibly [comply with law] profitably at scale! Oh well. I guess until som…
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My understanding is that copyrighted content on Youtube is often uploaded under the guise of anonymous users, but this is illusory. Unauthorized videos are taken down with vigilance, we see this happening to content creators all the time for no good reason. If these videos get the thumbs up to stay up, they're in cahoots with copyright holders somehow (most likely) or are deliberately ignored for some other reason. O…
Not in the beginning. You could find whole seasons of various copyrighted shows no problem.
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> This is interesting considering issues with CSEM far and away plague social media websites significantly worse than porn websites What's your evidence for this claim? I don't know if it's true but it certainly isn't what I'd expect.
The article actually covers it: > Pornhub's announcement also cites a report by third-party Internet Watch Foundation, which found 118 instances of child sexual abuse material on Pornhub in the last three years, and notes that in the same period, Facebook's own transparency report found 84 million instances of child sexual abuse material on the social media platform. There was also such an issue with it cropping up o…
I don't have any sympathy for Pornhub here. Their entire business is built on stolen content uploaded by anonymous users, and it wasn't until they hollowed out the rest of the industry through theft that they started looking beyond it. I would go so far as to say that the reason Pornhub and other tube sites haven't taken problems like child porn and revenge porn seriously is because doing so would undermine the found…
From the article, Pornhub only had 118 incidences of child porn over the last 3 years whereas Facebook had 84 million incidents of child porn during the same time. So it sounds like Pornhub is taking child porn seriously, and Facebook isn't.
>Over the last three years, Facebook self-reported 84 million instances of child sexual abuse material. During that same period, the independent, third-party Internet Watch Foundation reported 118 incidents on Pornhub.
Organizations like the IWF rely on reports, whether self-reported or not. Most people report CSAM on the website they're visiting instead of going to a third party (at least I do unless nothing is being done about it). Therefore it's not a surprise that the IWF only reported 118 incidents on Pornhub. It would be interesting to know how many instances Pornhub self-reported during the same time period since a high number is actually a good thing. I'd imagine that a sizeable chunk of the Facebook reports were quickly taken down due to being recognized by CSAM detection algorithms.
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> Comparing to Reddit though, I think it's fairer to say something like 'if someone opened a cafe where paedophiles liked to hang out and chat'. The difference here is Reddit content is persistent and public. If you are in a cafe, your conversations are transient and can only be overheard by your nearest neighbor. Your cafe would have to have a bulletin board or file cabinets where descriptions of content is posted a…
Hmm.. Or a 'graffiti wall' where customers are allowed to contribute to the cafes eclectic art, but it's not exactly curated? What I'm getting at is Reddit wasn't started with the idea that it had to vet content, if you put the responsibility for content on the website owner/operator.. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I think it's hard to draw a parallel on the high street, just because of the scale of the internet I s…
Scale seems to be the recurring theme of defense of illicit content.
I think that's backwards. The scale of these platforms means they have an obligation to be more vigilant.
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You should meet some of the women I hang out with. And obviously no one is calling for "no restraints".
What I'm saying is reevaluating bedroom norms and moors is fine, but let's also not make the mistake of thinking our prudish ancestors had it all wrong. I think porn has both good and bad influences - but it is definitely not benign.
>No not like that!
-- Neoliberalism