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Google is getting left behind due to horrible UI/UX

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Re: Google is getting left behind due to horrible UI/UX

#11
I'm a B.Eng. + Masters and in 2020 I can't for the life of me figure out how to set ringing and notifications on my Android.

Sometimes it rings for email, sometimes not, when I go to the screen to turn on/off it's all greyed out.

I can have 'up to N' rings per day for certain things which simply doesn't make sense in most situations (missing sms?).

WTF is going on?

We are facing 'complexity disasters' all around us and Google is not the only culprit.

Hint: your product is completely useless unless you've made it clear and easy to use. We don't care 'what it does' until it is at least that.

Re: Google is getting left behind due to horrible UI/UX

#12

The new version of Gmail is still horrible. Every day, I'll do things too fast, and it will pop alerts because some ajax request or promise hasn't resolved completely. I expected that things would get better eventually, but that has not been the case.

You are holding in wrong. If you bridge the gap between the two ajax requests with your thumb, the entities won't be properly deserialized when the second request is made.

Re: Google is getting left behind due to horrible UI/UX

#13
The UI is fine. Seriously folks - get a grip.

That said, there is no question that things rot at google.

One thing other companies do but google does not - listen to customers just a bit.

My favorite is of course, google home can't get gsuite calendars, but I can setup alexa to get them fine (so whatever technical / secuirty argument there might be doesn't really hold).

This has been a top request for years? I wouldn't be surprised if it turns into a decade. Zero action.

This is just throughout things - they do the 90% solution, and WILL NOT touch the 10% you stub your toes on. If they just would tweak and fix a few things ANNUALLY they'd be very competitive.

Re: Google is getting left behind due to horrible UI/UX

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I used to work at Google, as an engineering director on the Chrome Mobile team. While I agree that the UX of many Google products needs fixing, it's not just a simple matter of "Google, you are made out of money. Fix your fucking interfaces."

The article misses a really important point that you can't just revamp the UX for a product used by billions of users without some pretty serious blowback. Startups like Notion have a great deal of flexibility to tweak and innovate on their UX as much as they like, but even changing something minor in Gmail or Google Docs impacts orders of magnitude more people, using the product in such a huge number of environments -- phones, tablets, PCs -- in every language and every corner of the world. Every time Google has tried to make a major UX change -- look at Inbox, for example -- the challenges of bringing all of the existing users over to the new experience are very real. As a result, the UX tends to evolve in smaller steps, which (of course) results in the final result being more of a hodgepodge than you would get if you just started from scratch.

Google has very good UX designers, UX researchers, product managers, and engineers. These people know how to design good user experiences and care very much about the end result. But there is the reality of being boxed into design decisions that are difficult to undo without making some really major changes that are highly disruptive. Now, you could just say that Google should bite the bullet and hit reboot on some of its bad UX decisions from years ago. That is always an option, but it is often difficult to justify the benefits of an improved UX versus the productivity hit to all of the existing users.

Re: Google is getting left behind due to horrible UI/UX

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Besides the terrible UX I’d say Google is getting left behind due to the virtually zero improvement in its apps over the last decade. Started using Google Drive for work in around 2011 and stopped last year when I moved to a Microsoft-based company. In that time it didn’t seem like there were any major improvements in functionality to the core Drive, Docs and Sheets (and poor, forgotten Draw) apps. In fact most chang…

Google drive nested subfolder is also a mess.

Re: Google is getting left behind due to horrible UI/UX

#16
I'd add that material UI is one of the worst things to come out of Google, and their implementation in GCP, Gmail etc. I absolutely hate it, and it looks cheap. Even Windows 10 interface looks better.

Even though Material UI is functional, there is something off about it. Something is weird about it, and I can't tell what. Maybe there's a word for it. It feels/looks cheap, like designed for the lowest common denominator device. Like... at least add a backdrop filter/blur to it, it gives a different feeling. The current flat design feels dead and soul less.

The only place where material UI is suitable is Google search. Not Gmail, not GCP and DEFINATELY NOT on stock android.

Re: Google is getting left behind due to horrible UI/UX

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As a former Googler, Google has been utterly hostile to self critcism on this front. Responses to any criticism of Google's UI falls in the following buckets:

- Well I think it looks great.

- Stay in your lane, how dare you criticize our designers. This makes them feel unsafe at work. (Whatever the fuck that means)

- We did a user study and they liked it, so it must be good.

Fundamentally, Googlers are afraid to make real judgement calls. You're accountable to those. So you hide behind endless user studies, committees, etc. This doesn't just apply to designers: Engineers are also sandbagged with "we need more data" until a risk-taking idea gets snuffed out of existence.

The internal "inspirations" doc for Material cite the original Google.com search UI. A big white screen with a text box in the middle.

If you ever wonder "why the fuck can't I tell where one piece of the UI ends and the other begins" or "why do I have terrible eye strain from this UI" when looking at a Google property, it's because designers are boxed in by that "inspiration."

Re: Google is getting left behind due to horrible UI/UX

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post #6

I usually think these "Google is the worst" posts are over the top, but I genuinely find Gmail's mobile interface bewildering. There are two three-dot/ellipsis icons when you read an email and after using mobile Gmail for years I have no idea which actions are in which. "Move to Inbox": upper icon. "Add star": lower icon. "Mark important": upper icon. "Mark unread": lower icon. I'm sure there's some explanation or at…

One of many reasons I’ve stuck with the default “Mail” app on iOS. Labeling, attachments, search, etc. all work fine. I manage my filters (an infrequent task) through the desktop web interface. The Mail app UI hasn’t changed much in the last ten years.

If Google ever breaks plain old IMAP support, I’ll complete my migration to Fastmail.

Re: Google is getting left behind due to horrible UI/UX

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Besides the terrible UX I’d say Google is getting left behind due to the virtually zero improvement in its apps over the last decade. Started using Google Drive for work in around 2011 and stopped last year when I moved to a Microsoft-based company. In that time it didn’t seem like there were any major improvements in functionality to the core Drive, Docs and Sheets (and poor, forgotten Draw) apps. In fact most chang…

When Google Mail was invite only, it was a revelation of what a web mail client could be. Fast, forward thinking in the way mails were presented. Then it became a monstrosity that I can no longer recommend to anyone.

Suddenly Google Inbox came along. Fast, simple, focused packed with useful new features like mail grouping and content extraction. And it was killed off after roughly two years without any of the features being migrated to another product.

It seems like Google became unable to innovate in the basic services they once revolutionized.

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