What is sad to me looking from the outside it is that it didn’t have to be that way. Most of negative reviews seem to boil down to too many students, not enough support, not professional enough course management. Symptoms of growing pains. But why Lambda School had to grow that much that fast? It didn’t. It shouldn’t. It was at the expense of their students. Lambda School seemed a great idea from the start, revolutio…
CEO of Lambda School here. This is disappointing, of course. We have 180+ people working really, really hard to make Lambda School the best experience it can be. At times we’ll fall short, and, as another poster pointed out, the margin for error is just razor thin; thousands of happy and successful students can be out there, but it’s the ones who don’t make it or have a good experience that cause us to lose sleep (an…
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#332Please please please under no circumstances attend Lambda, everything the poster says is true. Two weeks before the end of CS for me they initiated a pass/fail for a test that we were never taught anything about and then mandated that you repeat the entire CS curriculum if you weren’t able to pass it. They said that it didn’t matter that I passed all of my sprints and scored 100% on the unit assessment, that I needed…
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#333As a society, we decided to subsidize high performers so they can actually focus on building/researching things and securitize everyone else.
The fact of the matter is educating high performers is cheaper short term( they teach themselves and process information better) and exponentially more valuable long term (they get good jobs, go into business or lead lucrative fields) If we sort out people based on similar ratings as applied to bonds, Lambda school works with Cs. It doesn't mean that everyone is bad, it just means on average the level of people is bad. All A people are picked by good unis via scholarships. B people can't get a scholarship but have good enough grades to get into B schools and pay via a loan or via relatives.
Lambda School is focusing on everyone else, but hopefully, there is a lot of everyone else. The model should have been on looking at Cs and separating good Cs from bad Cs. A good C is normally a student that didn't have opportunities or environment to become A, but have innate ability to do so, given the opportunity and resources.
If you don't really have the tools to distinguished good Cs from bad Cs, you can enroll as many people as possible and hopefully RNG your way to success. The problem with that strategy is that a lot of bad Cs will be unhappy with job outcomes, struggle with courses, generate bad press impacting recruitment, and more importantly be a massive drain on teaching resources.
I still think Lambda School is onto something but trying to do this via hypergrowth focused VC funding is a challenge.
On another topic, the hack I use in recruiting people who didn't have the opportunity to learn CS is to ask them to do CS50 in their own time. About 90% of people never come back, about 5% start but never finish or take too long to finish, and about 5% knock it out of the park. Those 5% generally were always worth my time advising and if we were lucky working with them. It doesn't mean they will become rockstar programmers, but it means they have learning ability and with enough time and resources will become a net positive to the company in a variety of engineering and engineering adjacent roles.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ... then immediately monetize that ISAs by selling them with a discount to a 3rd party Is that really true? If so, this is shocking to me. If LS sells the ISA, then, obviously, they are no longer "aligned" with their students' success. What's the point of their "revolutionary" arrangement then? This makes perfect sense out of the jumble of anecdotes I'm reading. From further below: https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/1…
It is known that they package and sell the ISAs like other credit products. But regarding their alignment with student success, it’s to their benefit that these ISAs realizes i.e. students succeed as the ISA quality determine how much they can sell them for.
Edit: Another commenter pointed out that if you expect a good number of the ISAs to end up in litigation with students who feel mislead, it also makes sense to dump them at a discount on someone else, so your name doesn't show up immediately on the lawsuits.
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, that's your prerogative. Personally, I'd eat some bad press by just making it a policy to always have opt-in changes across the board, or offer dissatisfied students refunds. And saying "everyone agreed such changes were possible" when you're essentially talking about the fine text of a contract only one side has the opportunity to define the terms of seems questionable. We aren't talking about two sides in a n…
How is the ISA questionably structured?
This is why I hate you and your product. You come in here and lie through your teeth repeatedly.
You sell yoyr ISAs which are already predatory. This means you dont give a flying fuck if students graduate because you get paid regardless, as opposed to the bullshit you spout about incentives being aligned.
More softball bullshut or speak answers.
Lambda needs to be sued into the groundlike ITT Tech and Hallmark. I for one can't wait.
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#336What is sad to me looking from the outside it is that it didn’t have to be that way. Most of negative reviews seem to boil down to too many students, not enough support, not professional enough course management. Symptoms of growing pains. But why Lambda School had to grow that much that fast? It didn’t. It shouldn’t. It was at the expense of their students. Lambda School seemed a great idea from the start, revolutio…
Lambda seems to have been trying to branch out to more normal learners.
Students that dont share those bright/already qualified credentials, do benifit a little bit of a "rub" effect by being associated with those bright/qualified students, and get to study/work with them during the course of the bootcamp so everyone wins in the short term. For average learners without significant backround IT knowledge or a prestigious degree, realistically they are going to need more than 3-6 months or a year to get a cushy programming job in the US (which seems to be what all of the bootcamps advertise they can offer students).
I consider myself an average/below average speed learner, took a bootcamp, i was surprised to learn the guy i was pair programming with had a CS degree from MIT lol. Some devs already had work programming experience, but most of us normies benifited by pairing with them and talking to them about problems/code/computers/study habits.
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#337Archive org link submitted by OP is very broken on mobile iOS. Original post on Reddit is still there but I suppose OP may have feared that mods would remove it or something? https://www.reddit.com/r/LambdaSchool/comments/kb87od/lambda... In case it does get removed then try this link instead: https://www.removeddit.com/r/LambdaSchool/comments/kb87od/la... On the latter link make sure you then change the drop down fr…
To be fair, it's broken in the exact same way the actual site is: it's only viewable in landscape This URL still uses archive.org but in a non broken format: https://web.archive.org/web/20201214092323if_/https://old.re...
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#338Relevant experience I've read from twitter months ago: https://mobile.twitter.com/watsonwaswrite/status/12309001266...
> finally, my first day. and i was immediately disappointed to learn that the "team leads" in charge of grading our designs and reviewing our work.... were actually students two months ahead of us. two months!!!! Wow. While not an exact analogy, something about that makes me want to say MLM/"pyramid scheme" > i was so depressed. i started sleeping longer hours, i lost all enthusiasm. i was ashamed to tell my partner.…
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#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is the ISA questionably structured?
How is it not This is why I hate you and your product. You come in here and lie through your teeth repeatedly. You sell yoyr ISAs which are already predatory. This means you dont give a flying fuck if students graduate because you get paid regardless, as opposed to the bullshit you spout about incentives being aligned. More softball bullshut or speak answers. Lambda needs to be sued into the groundlike ITT Tech and H…
You are incorrect in your understanding of how ISA financing works. Our interests and incentives remain aligned.
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The biggest mistake ls could make is not recognizing how little room there is for (perceived) failure with their product. It is among the most impactful, personal products you can buy online (considering life time and money investment). Customers will understandably be in a vulnerable place. You are not exactly selling someone a boat. You are quite literally selling tech savvy people their future and they know how to…
> You are quite literally selling tech savvy people their future It's a bit overkill. You can just do it yourself. Plenty of resources available for free. Students have to put the work in regardless.
No single service will be valuable to everyone. There might be services that provide no added value to anyone, but I would argue those are not actually services.