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WavesMesh: Pay-what-you-can community-owned ISP for Baltimore

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Re: WavesMesh: Pay-what-you-can community-owned ISP for Baltimore

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This should be illegal, how could private enterprises possibly compete with community organized ISPs? You have to take into account the increase in profit every ISP has to make every year. How is the industry going to survive if you allow competition from ISP's that do not need to make profit?

Many cities are already making this illegal, hopefully Baltimore realizes how damaging this truly is for business.

Re: WavesMesh: Pay-what-you-can community-owned ISP for Baltimore

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post #19

They could have gone with Althea design and have both freeloader and sustainability problem solved. Instead they did this...

Not everything needs to be financialized/transactionalized. In this case I am not really sure what it would solve.

The capital costs of building networks like these, when you factor in the know-how and time required to build and scale a WISP, are really far beyond the bandwidth costs, which appears to be all that Althea accounts for. Passing the hat to cover gateway costs seems like a fine approach to me.

Re: WavesMesh: Pay-what-you-can community-owned ISP for Baltimore

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post #18

I find these kinds of projects very interesting. It is just too bad the site does not talk about the technology they use (or maybe I am just not seeing it?). I am interested in this because I have recently been working on simulation studies of large Ad Hoc networks where we look at the B.A.T.M.A.N protocol. It was originally built for use in the Freifunk ( https://freifunk.net/en/ ) network in Germany which is simila…

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Re: WavesMesh: Pay-what-you-can community-owned ISP for Baltimore

#25

This should be illegal, how could private enterprises possibly compete with community organized ISPs? You have to take into account the increase in profit every ISP has to make every year. How is the industry going to survive if you allow competition from ISP's that do not need to make profit? Many cities are already making this illegal, hopefully Baltimore realizes how damaging this truly is for business.

Considering how much the world relies on internet, maybe it’s a good thing that current ISPs get out-competed by non-profit, community owned ones.

Re: WavesMesh: Pay-what-you-can community-owned ISP for Baltimore

#26

This should be illegal, how could private enterprises possibly compete with community organized ISPs? You have to take into account the increase in profit every ISP has to make every year. How is the industry going to survive if you allow competition from ISP's that do not need to make profit? Many cities are already making this illegal, hopefully Baltimore realizes how damaging this truly is for business.

Access to information shouldn't be a price gouging business. This is amazing. Comcast, Verizon and ATT can go rot in hell

Re: WavesMesh: Pay-what-you-can community-owned ISP for Baltimore

#27

This should be illegal, how could private enterprises possibly compete with community organized ISPs? You have to take into account the increase in profit every ISP has to make every year. How is the industry going to survive if you allow competition from ISP's that do not need to make profit? Many cities are already making this illegal, hopefully Baltimore realizes how damaging this truly is for business.

This doesn't seem like a very compelling argument to me. They serve different purposes.

Do Habitat for Humanity stores put Home Depot out of business?

Do food banks put grocery stores out of business?

Does offering free water as a drink put bars out of business?

Same product category, very different markets.

Re: WavesMesh: Pay-what-you-can community-owned ISP for Baltimore

#28

This should be illegal, how could private enterprises possibly compete with community organized ISPs? You have to take into account the increase in profit every ISP has to make every year. How is the industry going to survive if you allow competition from ISP's that do not need to make profit? Many cities are already making this illegal, hopefully Baltimore realizes how damaging this truly is for business.

Commercial ISPs will do fine - in the coming age of work-from-home there are always going to be those who need/desire more bandwidth than that provided by community ISPs. Most basic access doesn’t require the kind of high bandwidth that commercial providers are supposed to be capable of.

A threat to commercial providers is a very good thing as it might force them to step up their game and provide even better access, if people realize they don’t need continuous access to streaming media to get by. More likely, they’ll just throw money at lawyers and politicians to get any competition shut down, but hope remains.

Re: WavesMesh: Pay-what-you-can community-owned ISP for Baltimore

#29

This should be illegal, how could private enterprises possibly compete with community organized ISPs? You have to take into account the increase in profit every ISP has to make every year. How is the industry going to survive if you allow competition from ISP's that do not need to make profit? Many cities are already making this illegal, hopefully Baltimore realizes how damaging this truly is for business.

Is this satire? I'm genuinely confused.

Re: WavesMesh: Pay-what-you-can community-owned ISP for Baltimore

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non profit EINs are public knowledge. Perhaps they are non-profit?

No, all EIN's are public per se, but they are used as an SSN for getting credit, etc. They are on annual reports, sure but that requires some work vs just having it on the website.

There is zero risk for a nonprofit to publish their EIN widely. It's already on Guidestar and Charity Navigator and usually discoverable with a simple Google search.

There is also a ton of value. It makes people who donate more confident that their donations made through corporate gift matching or donor advised funds are going to the right place.

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