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Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind and Planted by Robots

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Re: Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind and Planted by Robots

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I'm gonna be honest I do not understand the economics and logic of vertical farming. You're basically putting plants in expensive, complicated buildings operated by extremely expensive and complicated robots, then you turn energy from the sun into electricity and back into light so you can grow the plants when you can just... farm in sunny places instead? Plants have the ability to turn sunlight into tasty nutrients…

Also why bother with all that waste just to produce something that has basically zero nutritional value?

thank you

Re: Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind and Planted by Robots

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I'm gonna be honest I do not understand the economics and logic of vertical farming. You're basically putting plants in expensive, complicated buildings operated by extremely expensive and complicated robots, then you turn energy from the sun into electricity and back into light so you can grow the plants when you can just... farm in sunny places instead? Plants have the ability to turn sunlight into tasty nutrients…

> why don't we invest in Africa, give them some huge machines and then buy their produce?

Climate change will make most of Africa uninhabitable?

Re: Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind and Planted by Robots

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Why is it only possible to grow leafy greens with hydroponics? Is it a because of the size of the actual plant?

Two reasons. Leafy greens are easy to grow hydroponically because they grow quickly. The problem with them is that they have nearly zero calories.

People invest money into growing them hydroponically because they don't keep, or transport well, which makes them incredibly expensive out-of-season. The high margins make it economical. Nobody's going to be growing rice hydroponically, for instance, because rice retails for 75 cents a pound.

Re: Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind and Planted by Robots

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Why is it only possible to grow leafy greens with hydroponics? Is it a because of the size of the actual plant?

Size is the main thing, plants like corn haven't had much in the way of vertical constraints so until we adapt new shorter breeds of them you can only grow so much per cubic meter and the economics doesn't work out compared to an open field. There's also the economics of how much goes into the non edible parts of the plant, this is much lower in leafy greens. Aside from that they just don't keep as well as more robust crops, so they have to be a lot fresher.

Re: Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind and Planted by Robots

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I'm gonna be honest I do not understand the economics and logic of vertical farming. You're basically putting plants in expensive, complicated buildings operated by extremely expensive and complicated robots, then you turn energy from the sun into electricity and back into light so you can grow the plants when you can just... farm in sunny places instead? Plants have the ability to turn sunlight into tasty nutrients…

- 250x less water - Sun/heat/light maybe needs to be converted but it's always used in the right amount for each crop - Controlled environments protected from plagues, floods, fires... Crops are not lost due to uncontrollable events and a lot of savings in chemicals to protect them from bugs - Saving the cost of SCM (transport and intermediaries) which is sometimes much bigger than producing. In farming is actually a…

- Price will go down in the future - Similar farms can be built on Mars. - Diversity of crops in places where it would be complicated otherwise

Re: Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind and Planted by Robots

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I'm gonna be honest I do not understand the economics and logic of vertical farming. You're basically putting plants in expensive, complicated buildings operated by extremely expensive and complicated robots, then you turn energy from the sun into electricity and back into light so you can grow the plants when you can just... farm in sunny places instead? Plants have the ability to turn sunlight into tasty nutrients…

Also why bother with all that waste just to produce something that has basically zero nutritional value?

This is just the start, but as other commenters have pointed out in this thread this is not just about the nutrition you get from Lettuce and Kale in comparison to other farm products. It is about the reduction of the need for farmland, transport, packaging, water and the use of chemicals. All parts of the problematic stress we put on nature and the environment. The use of greens in human food consumtion is enormous, regardless of the nutrition value they have compared to meat. If we can reduce the "environmental footprint" this consumtion have, it is a win, and not a waste of resources. On the contrary, I would argue.

And as I start off with; this is just the beginning of an interesting development. The road to a more sustainable future is paved with innovation and technology. It's amazing how far vertical farming has come already, in my view.

Re: Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind and Planted by Robots

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I'm gonna be honest I do not understand the economics and logic of vertical farming. You're basically putting plants in expensive, complicated buildings operated by extremely expensive and complicated robots, then you turn energy from the sun into electricity and back into light so you can grow the plants when you can just... farm in sunny places instead? Plants have the ability to turn sunlight into tasty nutrients…

The answer is very simple: Food is what is called strategic interest for a given country.

Food is essential for live, you have no food, you die. If you or your children starve you will pay anything for food. Society's stability depend of the supply and price of food.

E.g It is said that "Arab's spring" was about "people wanting freedom". It was really about food being ultra expensive in the north of Africa and speculators hoarding most of the rice and cereal in the world so they could benefit from the situation.

We have seen recently what happens when countries ignore strategic interests. US companies that made face mask and ventilators like 3M sent manufacturing overseas to places like China. When the Covid emergency broke, China did this:

1. China has higher priority to any other country. 2. If your country criticizes China(and the communist party CCP) in any way, you must censor them or there is no face mask for the people in your country. No censorship, no masks. 3. If necessary, China will nationalize factories. 4. The surplus will be sold to the highest bidder. China will send already paid cargo for higher bidders. 5. You praise China, even when the virus came from it. You demand no investigation.

That was self inflicted damage done by the West ignoring strategy 101.

You can not let other countries control your basic food supplies or anything strategic. Europe can not send most of their food by sea because the US has the biggest navy in the world. So if you do something they don't like, they just can block your supply chain and make food prices skyrocket and change governments so they become puppy States.

In fact, one of the secrets of US' success was that it could expand from the East Coast to the West by land with no European interference.

Re: Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind and Planted by Robots

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I'm gonna be honest I do not understand the economics and logic of vertical farming. You're basically putting plants in expensive, complicated buildings operated by extremely expensive and complicated robots, then you turn energy from the sun into electricity and back into light so you can grow the plants when you can just... farm in sunny places instead? Plants have the ability to turn sunlight into tasty nutrients…

- 250x less water - Sun/heat/light maybe needs to be converted but it's always used in the right amount for each crop - Controlled environments protected from plagues, floods, fires... Crops are not lost due to uncontrollable events and a lot of savings in chemicals to protect them from bugs - Saving the cost of SCM (transport and intermediaries) which is sometimes much bigger than producing. In farming is actually a…

> but the real soil somehow must add a lot of flavor, even if it's not relevant to produce the fruit, because I really feel a big difference of taste between hydroponic food and classic farming.

Is this a real thing? Interesting! I wonder if, much like food additives, we could figure out what particular nutrients would be required to impart a specific flavor to produce.

Re: Europe's Biggest Vertical Farm Will Be Powered by Wind and Planted by Robots

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I'm gonna be honest I do not understand the economics and logic of vertical farming. You're basically putting plants in expensive, complicated buildings operated by extremely expensive and complicated robots, then you turn energy from the sun into electricity and back into light so you can grow the plants when you can just... farm in sunny places instead? Plants have the ability to turn sunlight into tasty nutrients…

My question is, we know they expect to be profitable by a set date, but what will their prices be per pound? Does part of their plan include asking for a premium ?

Renewable energy will certainly spread to the shipping industry and that alone will increase the number of markets served. The key is opening these markets so farmers in Africa have more destinations for their goods as the pandemic has shown what happens when your existing market slows greatly.

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