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Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by indigodaddy »

lmm wrote: post #105
emmelaich wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorta related, this is a good film: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicario_(2015_film) Also, one of the subplots in the excellent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babel_(film) is in Mexico. Babel is by Mexican directors and writers. See the previous two in the triptych too.

Really? I consider it one of the three worst films I've seen: just a celebration of excessive violence and gratuitous avoidance of due process/checks and balances, made to seem defensible only because of unrealistic movie-protagonist ultracompetence. It's a worse case of Tom Clancy syndrome than the man himself ever did.

Sicario? Did we watch the same film? I mean sure, that's the content they are dealing with-- gratuitous violence and murder is entrenched in that world and they told a story in that world. As far as film-making and story-telling goes, Sicario will probably always be a top 50 if not top 20 film for me. Also encourage anyone to check out Villeneuve's older less known movies (most of course know Arrival and Blade Runner 2049), such as Prisoners, Enemy and Incendies-- all fantastic movies.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by rootsudo »

hellonoko wrote: post #139
ilaksh wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know they were safer than my neighborhood in Tijuana? Where were they?

I suppose I can't say that I know with absolutely certainty that they were safer, but we would talk with locals and got a general feel for what places are more or less safe. One explanation was that the cartel members have families too and keep the cities their families live in free or more free of that sort of trouble. I would look into place like San Miguel De Allende, Valladolid, Puerto Escondito, Puerta Vallarta…

Eh, don't bother, some people like the person you replied to just enjoy staying in a hotspot, and it makes no sense.

As someone who is "hispanic" it amazes me that someone would do such a thing when they are constantly in danger, and there are safer places to live, but medical and other cheap entertainment in MX is probably the reason why.

If he has spent two years in Tijuana and hasn't heard of the places you mentioned, or done any true traveling, well, yeah.

They're content. That's what they want. That's all they want.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by 29athrowaway »

TrackerFF wrote: post #118

Used to date a girl from Honduras (Tegucigalpa), and heard some real horror stories about the day-to-day crime. One day a gang knocked on her parents door (they owned an apartment) and pretty much gave them a 2-day notice to get out. They packed their stuff, and left. Their senior neighbor did not - she ended up getting killed. Apparently gangs like that just seize apartments, and use them for criminal activities (pr…

At least in El Salvador, things are getting better.

The Salvadoran president, Najib Bukele, a 39 year old businessman is effectively controlling gang activity. He is a pretty cool guy, and serves his country without collecting his salary.

Gangs in Central America extort people with jobs, so that in the end it's too inconvenient to have a job, and more convenient to be a gangster. If you have a honest job, some random armed guy shows up to collect most of your money.

It's a self-reinforcing phonomenon that kills the economy and turns everyone into gangsters.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by ilaksh »

rootsudo wrote: post #142
hellonoko wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose I can't say that I know with absolutely certainty that they were safer, but we would talk with locals and got a general feel for what places are more or less safe. One explanation was that the cartel members have families too and keep the cities their families live in free or more free of that sort of trouble. I would look into place like San Miguel De Allende, Valladolid, Puerto Escondito, Puerta Vallarta…

Eh, don't bother, some people like the person you replied to just enjoy staying in a hotspot, and it makes no sense. As someone who is "hispanic" it amazes me that someone would do such a thing when they are constantly in danger, and there are safer places to live, but medical and other cheap entertainment in MX is probably the reason why. If he has spent two years in Tijuana and hasn't heard of the places you mentio…

You are "hispanic"? WTH does that mean in quotation marks?? And how does that make you an expert on where it is safe?

I moved here because it was close to the border and most of the horror stories I heard were farther into Mexico. Also this way I could still visit my father before he passed away and still easily cross to buy things in the US or get US mail etc.

I live in Playas de Tijuana. People here told me it was safe. So far I have not seen any danger.

I have heard of other towns and locations in Mexico and South America.

How TF would you know how much traveling I have done?

Why do you say I am constantly in danger? Where do you think I should live and why?

I put myself out here looking for information and of course I got what I deserved which was just for people to spit in my eye.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by jokoon »

BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 wrote: post #95

Criminalization of drugs is a price support program for the cartels. Legalise the drugs and allow legal production - and the cartels will have to find an honest way to make a living like the rest of us have to do.

Sugar and opioids are also legal, legality doesn't solve everything, it's also up to the consumers and the regulator to work on better ways to consume those products.

You would need to regulate doses, make sure it's not coupled with other substances to reduce ill effects on consumers, which isn't easy. It's obviously better than letting cartels thrive, of course, but legalizing drugs isn't a silver bullet, it's also a lot of work.

Remember how prohibition went into action: women were tired of their drunk husbands.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by [deleted] »

xenadu02 wrote: post #104
rayiner wrote: post #99

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> Legalise the drugs and allow legal production - and the cartels will have to find an honest way to make a living like the rest of us have to do. This is magical thinking. Organized crime can make money in other ways. This story is about kidnapping, for example. Organized crime exists in many places where it’s not funded by drug trade.

There just isn't nearly as much money in any alternatives. At its root money is required to maintain cartel power. Sure they aren't going to disappear overnight. But cutting out their most profitable product lines would make a huge dent without a doubt. We have a real-world example of that from Prohibition so it isn't entirely theoretical.

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Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by ilaksh »

hellonoko wrote: post #139
ilaksh wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know they were safer than my neighborhood in Tijuana? Where were they?

I suppose I can't say that I know with absolutely certainty that they were safer, but we would talk with locals and got a general feel for what places are more or less safe. One explanation was that the cartel members have families too and keep the cities their families live in free or more free of that sort of trouble. I would look into place like San Miguel De Allende, Valladolid, Puerto Escondito, Puerta Vallarta…

I haven't really researched anything else thoroughly in South America. I was more thinking of trying to find some place reasonable in the US.

Honestly I am not sure all of those little towns in Mexico you mentioned are really safe.

The issue is Tijuana has the name recognition for the bad reputation. So really people only see that.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by StartupTree »

rexpop wrote: post #140
TrackerFF wrote: post #118

Used to date a girl from Honduras (Tegucigalpa), and heard some real horror stories about the day-to-day crime. One day a gang knocked on her parents door (they owned an apartment) and pretty much gave them a 2-day notice to get out. They packed their stuff, and left. Their senior neighbor did not - she ended up getting killed. Apparently gangs like that just seize apartments, and use them for criminal activities (pr…

It's worth mentioning that the violence in Honduras is, in no small part, part of the US State Department's bipartisan foreign policy from which we benefit. Fast fashion, which Americans consume, is enabled by the precarious situations we've foist upon the Hondurans by destabilizing their government, and installing leadership sympathetic to our colonial interests. Your ex-girlfriend's uncle died for my t-shirt. > Ten…

Blaming the US for the endless violence in Honduras is typical internet nonsense.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by rendall »

linuxftw wrote: post #89
unnouinceput wrote: post #84

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I like idealistic people. Please, never change. Me, on the other hand, as a citizen of a very corrupt corrupt country in which the specter of communism still linger heavily, I wonder how many officials would either "malfunction" cameras when cartel members would be caught on video OR would actively help cartel members organize their kidnappings.

Happens in countries perceived to be less corrupt as well. Consider the 'missing' video of Jeffrey Epstein's suicide.

Jails and prisons are where American society throws people away. There aren't working video cameras, competent guards, effective suicide watches. That's not where Americans choose to place their attention

The argument that Jeffery Epstein was murdered hinges on jails and prisons to be something they are not

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