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Re: Johnny.Decimal

#51

I assume see also and/or inspired by good the ol' Dewey Decimal System? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dewey_Decimal_classes You probably don't know much about Dewey, he's got a pretty "interesting" life story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvil_Dewey "At the June 2019 conference of the American Library Association the Council voted to remove Dewey's name from its top honor, the Melvil Dewey Medal; the resol…

(I'm the eponymous 'Johnny'.)

Yep, a friend of mine named it in 'honour' of Dewey Decimal. Kinda genius, which I can say because that wasn't my idea. :-)

But yeah had no idea he was a terrible human, that's a shame.

Re: Johnny.Decimal

#52
post #41

Reverse classic HN meta comment: this website is crazy fast and easy to read. Well done Johnny Noble, thank you.

(I'm the eponymous 'Johnny'.)

Thanks! I put a lot of work in to it and I'm no designer let me tell you.

FWIW it's running on Gatsby. SHOCK HORROR JAVASCRIPT. ;-)

Helps a lot that it's very light on images.

Re: Johnny.Decimal

#53

This would be a good system for managing Tasks and TODOs.

(I'm the eponymous 'Johnny'.)

Yep, and the numbers tie things together across disparate systems, e.g. your file system and your to-do system.

So I have a project, `12.34 Whatever`, and it has some files in the file system. I also have an OmniFocus project named the same. And an email folder.

It's real easy to line those things up together when you want to work on that thing.

Re: Johnny.Decimal

#54

> None of the areas or categories overlap. There’s only one place anything can ever be. Exactly unlike actual documents. Where do I put the sales figures we use for marketing?

(I'm the eponymous 'Johnny'.)

Yep, this can be an issue. See my sibling comment here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25412455

Re: Johnny.Decimal

#55
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Well, this was bound to happen one day. This is my site. I guess I’ll read the comments here then go take a bath with a bottle of gin. :-) Edit: yep. As suspected. Let me just say this, if I may: 1. You don’t have to like every idea, but please consider that some people do . 2. I’ve been using this successfully for a decade. I’m using it right now to organise a project. My boss loves me for it, because guess what? We…

I had a project I'm working on (which I already knew was going to be contentious) hit the front page a few months ago in a big way. After about 5 minutes I had to block the ID in my browser. It wasn't great.

Re: Johnny.Decimal

#56

How about a filesystem that just provided tagging as a first class citizen?

(I'm the eponymous 'Johnny'.)

I don't find tags useful for many of the same reasons that I invented this system.

What's the tag for the payroll schedule? Is it 'Payroll'? 'Finance'? Something else?

Who manages the tags? Can anyone add one?

Tags need managing just as much as -- if not more than -- a well-organised folder structure. Tags aren't just some free magical way to organise stuff ... otherwise I dare say they'd be more popular.

Re: Johnny.Decimal

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> “Hey Kristy, where can I find the payroll schedule?” > “Twelve dot oh-three.” Or, you know, don't encumber the brains of people with useless numbers, and use computers for what they are actually good are, at least better than people, e.g. use the search feature of your file browser for "payroll schedule".

(I'm the eponymous 'Johnny'.) This is a real example from a past life, and really works when you're shouting across an office or talking down the phone. The longer original, edited down for brevity, went something like: "Hey Kristy, where can I find the payroll schedule?" "Okay go to the Finance folder. No, the one in the G: drive. Yeah now go to Payroll ... oh sorry, it's Payroll 2020. Yeah no not the Payroll 2020 i…

Triggered. :)

Re: Johnny.Decimal

#58
I’m working on Amna (getamna.com) which lets you organize things into a todo list. Search is definitely a problem, and should not be our primary way of getting to things - especially if we know where they live already (or supposed to live). With a todo list - we make the lookup a little easier because you can ask yourself “what was I working on”?

Re: Johnny.Decimal

#59
Great to see this here! I came across it maybe a year or two ago and I love how it lines up with my thinking. I rely on search as well but over and over I come back to the basic issue that search only offers up things you know to search for. A category system like this one resolves some of the anxiety that comes along with trying to establish a universal category system, while also organizing things to support future exploration and discovery.

One thing that stuck with me when I wanted to experiment with this system is the fear of exhausting the top level namespace: the system as described blocks the first number into areas of ten. I remember feeling like it would be pretty normal to need more subcategories in some areas than others and worrying about running out.

On reflection I think that's probably more of an academic problem, and that if I took the dive things would work out. I would be curious about whether there are any suggestions around for how to handle it if you're running short on areas to assign.

Re: Johnny.Decimal

#60

This is not a good idea. Here is why: - It only solves the problem of communicating categories to another person/party with its brevity. 12.03, easy to tell others. But all this at the expense of the following things. - There is no way to immediately know what 12.03 means. One has to carry a look up table. You can replace it with 2 char code. For example, Finance.Taxes to FN.TX. Why use numbers? Is the ordering impor…

It seems to me that the purpose of numbers over character codes is to constrain the available identifiers to force you to define a fairly small set of broad areas (you only have ten) and drill down within that. When we release that restriction and go with categories I think that would lead to making more and more categories with fuzzy overlap -- and that overlap is precisely what you don't want in a filing system where (unlike labels or tags) each item must have one and only one location.

You went on to mention labels and tags as a solution there -- but the point here is to implement the structure in a common filing system, isn't it? Your point works fine for email, but for documents on my drive tags don't seem like a great approach because at least on my machine even though tagging is an option, it's not robust and reliable.

It didn't feel totally fair to say that the author needed to address search more; the ability to search doesn't go away when you implement a system like this, it's still a powerful tool available to you if you know what you're searching for. If you don't know, then a system like this is a good way to explore the topics and assets in your file tree in a way that allows you to discover collections of related files.

Lastly, true that you can assign a unique ID -- but again, isn't that introducing and solving a different problem? Uniquely addressing every file might be a really useful thing, but as you mentioned, there's no context clue to help you decode B75AE2 -- you would need a lookup table. Even then, presumably you would want to know which categories and families that file should belong to.

Overall, everything you listed here is thought provoking and I think points out some of the limitations of the way our digital file systems emulate physical ones, but this collection of objections isn't persuasive that the Johnny decimal system isn't a good idea.

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