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Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by tim333 »

jiofih wrote: post #4

The US government spends trillions on the military, what stops them from descending with a crapload of police forces into a city like this and putting an end to it?

The US helped out with putting El Chapo in jail in the US. In Mexico every time they locked him up he'd got out again. Seems a similar problem in the story - you find the killers and they just break out of jail and come for you. Maybe the US could expand its prison for Mexicans service? If they imprisoned fewer Americans there'd be loads of room.

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Post by pydry »

deepsun wrote: post #50
frellus wrote: post #36

Amazing story, and real journalism. If only the news spent more time uncovering the truth instead of opining about politics. I'm so sick of politics.

Well, a bit of advice from eastern european dictatures -- the more people try to refrain from politics, the worse politics screws up their lives. So I ended up respecting politised people, regardless of their views. For a functioning democracy, everyone must do politics, even if it's unpleasant.

That's probably partly why certain entities try to make it so toxic. People are more controllable when they're rabid and when they're inert.

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Post by CyberDildonics »

pydry wrote: post #62
deepsun wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, a bit of advice from eastern european dictatures -- the more people try to refrain from politics, the worse politics screws up their lives. So I ended up respecting politised people, regardless of their views. For a functioning democracy, everyone must do politics, even if it's unpleasant.

That's probably partly why certain entities try to make it so toxic. People are more controllable when they're rabid and when they're inert.

Also reasonable people check out when people are running around livid because of false information.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by CyberDildonics »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #51
jgwil2 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear this depends on the drug. Cocaine and heroin are blood-soaked; cannabis, LSD or psychedelic mushrooms not so much. MDMA is probably somewhere in between.

Cartels also deal Cannabis. In Europe, money from Cannabis traffic is then used to set up logistics for bigger operations, like bank heists, prostitution rings, human trafficking and terrorism, and lets not get started about gangs that kill each other and innocent victims when fighting for territory. Illegal Cannabis is as tainted as Cocaine or heroine. That's why it needs to be legalized. Legalization will weaken or…

I'm surprised they are so into human trafficking and bank heists that they do it at a loss and let it eat into their weed money.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by CyberDildonics »

tim333 wrote: post #61
jiofih wrote: post #4

The US government spends trillions on the military, what stops them from descending with a crapload of police forces into a city like this and putting an end to it?

The US helped out with putting El Chapo in jail in the US. In Mexico every time they locked him up he'd got out again. Seems a similar problem in the story - you find the killers and they just break out of jail and come for you. Maybe the US could expand its prison for Mexicans service? If they imprisoned fewer Americans there'd be loads of room.

The US can't let their prison cells go to mexican citizens when they are needed for hard working americans with families.

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Post by bigbob2 »

deepsun wrote: post #50
frellus wrote: post #36

Amazing story, and real journalism. If only the news spent more time uncovering the truth instead of opining about politics. I'm so sick of politics.

Well, a bit of advice from eastern european dictatures -- the more people try to refrain from politics, the worse politics screws up their lives. So I ended up respecting politised people, regardless of their views. For a functioning democracy, everyone must do politics, even if it's unpleasant.

Here in the US the media effectively controls who people vote for, and the DNC/RNC is quick to "aggressively interject itself" if that tactic fails; so it seems to me that democracy as we know it is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. The media stopping opining about politics would not change that, even though it will never happen.

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Post by warriormonk5 »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #5
jiofih wrote: post #4

The US government spends trillions on the military, what stops them from descending with a crapload of police forces into a city like this and putting an end to it?

International law? And, also, just "law". One of the better developments of last few decades is that national borders are, for the most part, no longer subject to violent change. That's due to territory simply losing importance: raw materials are insignificant, economically, compared to the fruits of intellectual labor. Borders have also become much more porous: the conflict in Northern Ireland, for example, lost muc…

Norman Angell argued almost the exact same thing as you-- in 1909. Doubled down on this argument in 1933. "The Great Illusion".

He was wrong -- both times. :)

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

frellus wrote: post #36

Amazing story, and real journalism. If only the news spent more time uncovering the truth instead of opining about politics. I'm so sick of politics.

She had to go through this ordeal because the Mexican government is broken. That’s politics.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by lsiebert »

frellus wrote: post #36

Amazing story, and real journalism. If only the news spent more time uncovering the truth instead of opining about politics. I'm so sick of politics.

This story is about a systemic failure of policing leading to people being regularly victimized, which seems pretty political to me.
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