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Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by stjohnswarts »

edgefield0 wrote: post #43
sroussey wrote: post #40

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Possible correlation and hand waving equals causation. I, too, was hoping for something, well, technical. Considering #1 on hacker news...

Does anyone else see the irony that hand waving is being disputed with hand waving?

I was reading through the comments and hoping someone would know what keystone actually was and if there was any possibility of the claim in the article :) . I mean there's a lot of stuff in chrome other than this keystone thing, maybe it was one of those other things.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by stjohnswarts »

wnevets wrote: post #198
coldtea wrote: post #163

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> Hating Google is very fashionable on HN these days Well, why shouldn't it be?

Why shouldn't apple? For some reason apple gets a pass on HN for things like fighting to keep forced labor camps open [1]. Lets hate Google AND Apple. 1. https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/23/anti-forced-labour-bill-apple...

This law is untenable. For one thing outside of companies like Apple or Amazon who -might- be able to negotiate with the Chinese government on audits, middle to small businesses would have no possibility of that because they mean nothing to the CCP. This is a government to government thing, not a company thing and the bill doesn't make sense to make companies culpable for the entire supply chain. It's just punting responsibilities to companies who trade rather the US government whose job it is really to investigate such things. It's just a feel good law to blame corps rather than Congress Critters, which they've been trying to get rid of responsibilities for decades.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by ajoy39 »

jbverschoor wrote: post #244
astrange wrote: post #238

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If you’re having visible performance problems, file a report with Feedback Assistant. It’s ok if it seems to be a 3rd party app causing the issue. (High CPU use isn’t necessarily a real performance issue and might be caused by just having Activity Monitor open.)

Apple does not support or fix third party apps. This is 100% chrome, with their annoying updating agent, which you can't remove

You're awfully confident for someone who has provided no additional evidence.

The OP claims the high CPU usage went after uninstalling chrome and rebooting their machine.

Rebooting their machine.

The thing we tell everyone to as the absolute first step in trying to solve any problem with a computer, "have you tried turning it off and on again?".

This isn't proof that chrome or keystone or anything at all caused the problem. We have nothing to determine the root cause.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by stjohnswarts »

coldtea wrote: post #250
boogies wrote: post #215

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Seriously, why not? And why was wnevets getting downvoted? The linked article references a source I’m sure most on HN would agree is reputable, to the extent it confirms their biases. > A report in [The Washington Post]( https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-u... ) claims that Apple is trying to weaken provisions in the bill. > > Apple lobbyists are trying to weaken a bill aimed at preventing for…

Yeah, just bad reporting. "Apple lobbyists are trying to weaken a bill aimed at preventing forced labor in China, according to two congressional staffers familiar with the matter, highlighting the clash between its business imperatives and its official stance on human rights." 1) The US legislators could not care less about "forced labor" in China (or even in the US for that matter, e.g. penal labor). Same way they d…

I agree, this is a deal that should be between governments, this is just an attempt of the US government to push responsibility to companies rather than actually acting against the Chinese government to end these labor camps. Whether tariffs or whatever. Few companies have the ability to follow every link of the supply chain for corruption. Most small to mid size to just find a distributer and buy what they need, they don't have the ability or authority to send in a small army of auditers, that the CCP isn't going to allow anyway.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by stjohnswarts »

politelemon wrote: post #47
sroussey wrote: post #40

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Possible correlation and hand waving equals causation. I, too, was hoping for something, well, technical. Considering #1 on hacker news...

That this is so high right now is quite reflective of HN. It's nearly an exact match of the meme like utterance often seen on reddit: "chrome bad".

So are you also going to point out that the vast majority of other top links are actually quite credible? It's easy to declare a whole site bad over one thing isn't it? Like the author in this article did under similar circumstances?

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by wnevets »

coldtea wrote: post #246
wnevets wrote: post #198

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Why shouldn't apple? For some reason apple gets a pass on HN for things like fighting to keep forced labor camps open [1]. Lets hate Google AND Apple. 1. https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/23/anti-forced-labour-bill-apple...

> Why shouldn't apple? For some reason apple gets a pass on HN Or, you know, Apple gets the same or more kind of criticism, but since you are biased to agree with it, you are blind to it, and only see the praise/defenses. > for things like fighting to keep forced labor camps open That's probably because the framing of this by the media is BS, playing into the trade war objectives and narrative of the US foreign polic…

>Or, you know, Apple gets the same or more kind of criticism, but since you are biased to agree with it, you are blind to it, and only see the praise/defenses.

Do you honestly believe if this post was about apple or an apple product with the exact same lack of content, it would have gotten the same number of up votes as quickly as this one did?

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by jbverschoor »

ajoy39 wrote: post #263
jbverschoor wrote: post #244

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Apple does not support or fix third party apps. This is 100% chrome, with their annoying updating agent, which you can't remove

You're awfully confident for someone who has provided no additional evidence. The OP claims the high CPU usage went after uninstalling chrome and rebooting their machine. Rebooting their machine. The thing we tell everyone to as the absolute first step in trying to solve any problem with a computer, "have you tried turning it off and on again?". This isn't proof that chrome or keystone or anything at all caused the p…

I've had numerous problems with keyagent. It was horrible. I spend way too much time on trying to get that monster to work normally or get it removed.

But it's an "essential part" of chrome

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by coldtea »

wnevets wrote: post #266
coldtea wrote: post #246

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> Why shouldn't apple? For some reason apple gets a pass on HN Or, you know, Apple gets the same or more kind of criticism, but since you are biased to agree with it, you are blind to it, and only see the praise/defenses. > for things like fighting to keep forced labor camps open That's probably because the framing of this by the media is BS, playing into the trade war objectives and narrative of the US foreign polic…

>Or, you know, Apple gets the same or more kind of criticism, but since you are biased to agree with it, you are blind to it, and only see the praise/defenses. Do you honestly believe if this post was about apple or an apple product with the exact same lack of content, it would have gotten the same number of up votes as quickly as this one did?

In HN, where every third post is "Why I'm leaving Apple" or such? Yes.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by neop1x »

g0atbutt wrote: post #74

I've had noticeable issues with "WindowServer" in the past (taking 80% CPU usage and causing the fans to ramp up even when the system seemed like it should be idling even after a reboot) so I decided to give this a shot. This is anecdotal but there is a noticeable difference for me with responsiveness after following these steps. Currently the WindowServer process is hovering around 14%.

Hmm, can't there be some kind of malware hiding under the Keystone name?

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by stjohnswarts »

thewebcount wrote: post #136
Siyo wrote: post #109

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Most likely the issue was resolved by the reboot, not by uninstalling Chrome. From my experience Mac OS tends to slow down after a few days. Animations and scrolling gets choppy and there's nothing I can do to fix it, short of rebooting.

I use macOS daily for months at a time without rebooting and have not seen this problem on any of the 5 Macs I've been using for the past several years, for what that's worth. It does seem like it's something specific to your machine.

Does your system have Chrome on it, because if it doesn't then you observations don't really apply since the conversation is centered around a bug possibly associated with that. Personally I don't allow chrome on my machines. I do install brave for those cases where I have to use "chrome" because some company simply doesn't design their web app for anything else otherwise it's firefox.
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