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Re: Earnestness

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If you click on the hyperlink Paul Graham hyperlinks as "academic bogus," you'll find a google scholar search for "hermeneutic dialectic hegemonic whiteness." First of all, I don't think Paul Graham read those 5000 article returned by the search. Instead I think he just typed in a chain of academic words he thought represented useless academic research, and then told himself these "tee-hee postmodern bogus." I think…

Philosophy, the humanities, gender studies: really only for edgy college kids who are trying to get laid.

Re: Earnestness

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I wonder who the intended audience of this post is?

relatively shallow startup founder wannabees, ie the kinds of people he sells his anti-intellectual "genius" to in order to make money off of.

Seems like he doesn't make money off of wannabees but rather the successful ones, no? PG has been quite respected in the valley for a while so its surprising to me that people suddenly dislike him. What was the turning point for you?

Re: Earnestness

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Can you expand on the boringness? That conflicts with what I think because I believe that engaging hobbies are that vitality which manifests as “playful” and “fun”. Are you willing to try something new, and if you do, are you willing to learn to do it well enough to enjoy it. Engaging with a hobby tends to involve making it part of me - the hobbies I haven’t committed to actually liking and just performed have always…

What did you end up reading, if I may?

From his collected fictions, the sampling was:

- The Secret Miracle

Personal favorite, I actually think it links well to this discussion of earnestness.

- Man on Pink Corner

A bar story, the characters are a bit rough on the edges. Action packed.

- The Lottery of Babylon

Mystical world where a lottery runs everything.

- Three Versions of Judas

This is a good example of Borges combining non-fictional and fictional elements, he is doing a critical analysis on a fictional author be made up regarding the “real” role of Judas.

- Deutsches Requiem

Part of his explorations on fascism and nazism, written contemporarily (1946) so it has a bit more rawness.

- On Exactitude in Science

The title well describes this short piece.

- In Memoriam, JFK

Also short and incredibly well-written.

- The Zahir

The Zahir creates obsession, to the point of driving the obsessed insane.

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Can you expand on the boringness? That conflicts with what I think because I believe that engaging hobbies are that vitality which manifests as “playful” and “fun”. Are you willing to try something new, and if you do, are you willing to learn to do it well enough to enjoy it. Engaging with a hobby tends to involve making it part of me - the hobbies I haven’t committed to actually liking and just performed have always…

Re your example, Borges is one of my fav authors too. Would love to see that list.

The idea was to try to cover some of his range, which isn't trivial given how many styles he can write in.

My favorite is the Secret Miracle, though. The idea of finishing your masterpiece in abstract of the fame, recognition, even impact is beautiful.

Here’s the ones we read and discussed:

Man on Pink Corner

The Secret Miracle

The lottery of Babylon

Three Versions of Judas

Deutsches Requiem

On Exactitude in Science

In Memoriam, JFK

The Zahir

Re: Earnestness

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Yeah, but the parent talks about 'raising taxes on people who had already gotten fabulously rich', not some kind of radical egalitarianism. You'd have to be very strongly money-motivated to be deterred by the prospect of merely having hundreds of millions rather than a billion, or a couple billion rather than several billion, or whatever.

"What matters in Silicon Valley is how much effect you have on the world." http://www.paulgraham.com/cities.html I feel this... I don't want billions for myself, I want billions so I can fund moonshot projects. If starting my business in a foreign country with no wealth tax is the difference between being a millionaire and a billionaire, I will strongly consider relocating.

> I want billions so I can fund moonshot projects

It seems like it'd be easy to create a charity funded with your wealth that provides grants to innovators. You can do this even in a country with a large wealth tax.

The world also has an awful lot of yachts and private jets for me to really buy the argument that billionaires really want the money to give it away. So maybe democratic control over that wealth ends up being better on average, even if you truly are committed to giving away all of your wealth in the way that maximally benefits humanity.

Re: Earnestness

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Can you expand on the boringness? That conflicts with what I think because I believe that engaging hobbies are that vitality which manifests as “playful” and “fun”. Are you willing to try something new, and if you do, are you willing to learn to do it well enough to enjoy it. Engaging with a hobby tends to involve making it part of me - the hobbies I haven’t committed to actually liking and just performed have always…

We might be getting at different parts of "earnest", which an internet search defines as "resulting from or showing intense and sincere conviction". Your post is about intensity, and I guess mine is about sincerity.

I think jtanderson’s comment clarified the difference for me. Mustering intensity for me means being sincerely interested, so I actually wasn’t seeing the difference.

Thank you for the comment, learned something.

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I can’t tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. FWIW I think all of those things sound interesting and cool. Here’s the abstract from the ‘Saga’s Sorrow’ paper: “This article examines the construction of gender roles in contemporary white nationalist music. Grounded in extensive and ethnographic fieldwork, the article traces the rise of leading Swedish singer Saga and argues that her music frames women as besiege…

> I can’t tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. Of course they were trolling. I don't claim that there isn't a lot of bogus stuff in ethomusicology (as the OP sarcastically proves), just that it is a perfectly legitimate field. You can also find a lot of pompous bullshit in machine learning publications, but that does not mean that ML is bogus.

Not trolling and absolutely serious. I've spent a lifetime exploring the world through the lens of music and I'm an admirer of the field of ethnology. Such studies have been highly useful to how I view the importance of music in society, aside from being entertainment it bonds communities and the study of it sheds fascinating light as to our cultures and ways.

Re: Earnestness

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My perception is that one drawback of earnestness is that it often comes off as just being boring. The most earnest people I know are not popular. The most popular people I know are more like twinkle-in-the-eye-kind-of-BS-but-not-pathological-liars. I don't mean to say "grr, why aren't nerds more popular!". I mean more that this specific kind of earnestness seems to preclude the playing of certain conversational game…

Earnest but interesting is sometimes a recipe for drama. Nothing worse than being well-meaning, right about something and saying something no one really wants to hear. If you have any sense whatsoever, you intentionally shoot for "boring" while being publicly earnest. Remember: "May you live in interesting times" is a Chinese curse . There's a downside to being interesting.

> Remember: "May you live in interesting times" is a Chinese curse. There's a downside to being interesting.

Another (possibly better) saying to illustrate the downside might be "The nail that sticks out gets hammered."

Re: Earnestness

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> I can’t tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. Of course they were trolling. I don't claim that there isn't a lot of bogus stuff in ethomusicology (as the OP sarcastically proves), just that it is a perfectly legitimate field. You can also find a lot of pompous bullshit in machine learning publications, but that does not mean that ML is bogus.

Not trolling and absolutely serious. I've spent a lifetime exploring the world through the lens of music and I'm an admirer of the field of ethnology. Such studies have been highly useful to how I view the importance of music in society, aside from being entertainment it bonds communities and the study of it sheds fascinating light as to our cultures and ways.

Well, ok, sorry about that then. I'm much more into the "musical" part of ethnomusicology than into the philosophical/ cultural/political aspects, which I find completely uninteresting. But good for you if you find interest in it. I thought you were trolling due to the 3rd book, whose title sounds like a joke to me. As in "is dog barking literature?"; of course it isn't, literature and music are, pretty much by definition, things that humans do.

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That's pretty much just opinion? Of course they include politics, as does history, anthropology, literature. That means nothing. Strawman PC gender studies you have encountered may have poisoned it for you. That doesn't mean its worthless, or even wrong.

Also, that's not how you use the term strawman in an argument.

...and yet, you apparently understood. So it was a useful, effective use of the term.
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