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Re: Earnestness

#422

I like Zach Tellman's response to this: "Pretty sure Paul just called me a Renaissance man" https://twitter.com/ztellman/status/1337921811397283842 At this point, my main criticism of Paul Graham is that when he's called out, he never backs down. He never admits he's wrong.

I'm sorry, but would you care to explain the inside baseball to the uninitiated? Who is Zach Tellman, what's a Renaissance man and how does it relate to a paragraph that doesn't mention time periods, how is this calling out Zach Tellman specifically or rather, what's the backstory there, and what does any or all of that have to do with previous criticism of Paul Graham? I'm completely lost here.

Re: Earnestness

#423

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Your analogy to physics is useful. "Everything is physics" might be true, but as you say, it isn't very useful because it is too broad a brush. That's why we talk about atomic physics, astrophysics, dynamics, optics, nuclear physics, quantum physics, and for that matter, chemistry, and inorganic chemistry. Each of these is a discipline with its own nomenclature and epistemology that enable practitioners to home in on…

Sure! I don't mean to deny the importance of the insight; a lot of people do have seriously mistaken beliefs about how social and economic facts come to be, and learning a bit of political science is a critical part of correcting those mistakes. The problem is that electoral politics, at least as practiced recently in the US, rarely has much to do with this. I'm on a few donor lists, so I got a lot of political fundr…

> out of the candidates I can remember only one was focused on society and how we can make it better.

Sounds like you encountered one earnest type?

I tried to think of contemporary examples but I couldn’t think of any that would be universally admired. That got me thinking about the meaning of “earnestness” and then I wondered whether I might have conflated it with “virtuous” too much in my own conception.

I suppose it’s just as possible to be earnestly libertarian as it is to be earnestly egalitarian.

There might be as many earnest members of the NRA as there are earnest members of the NAACP and the ACLU.

Fact checking aside, who do you think is more earnest, 45 or 44?

43 or 42?

Your football teams QB or your opponent’s?

Re: Earnestness

#424

Earnest question: why do Paul grahams articles get so much coverage on hacker news?

PG created Hacker News (and wrote its code, and was the primary moderator for a long time, setting the tone).

Re: Earnestness

#425

I like Zach Tellman's response to this: "Pretty sure Paul just called me a Renaissance man" https://twitter.com/ztellman/status/1337921811397283842 At this point, my main criticism of Paul Graham is that when he's called out, he never backs down. He never admits he's wrong.

I'm sorry, but would you care to explain the inside baseball to the uninitiated? Who is Zach Tellman, what's a Renaissance man and how does it relate to a paragraph that doesn't mention time periods, how is this calling out Zach Tellman specifically or rather, what's the backstory there, and what does any or all of that have to do with previous criticism of Paul Graham? I'm completely lost here.

Many of us make the assumption that Paul Graham's essay, discussed here, is partly in response to Zach Tellman's criticism, which was discussed here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25325716

The footnote, in particular, which Tellman highlights, seems to be a swipe at Tellman. It reads as Graham accusing Tellman of not being earnest.

A "Renaissance man" is an old phrase, referring to someone who is good at many things (since Renaissance people like DaVinci were good at art, engineering, architecture and more). Tellman was making a joke about the laundry list of vices that Graham seemed to be imputing to Tellman.

Not that the whole essay is in response to Tellman, but, the idea that Tellman's essay was on Graham's mind seems likely, especially when Graham makes the crack about Twitter.

Re: Earnestness

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Not sure if gambling should have been lumped in with the other professions. A successful long term gambler looks a lot like a hacker in my experience

I think he means the people running casinos etc., not the gamblers.

Re: Earnestness

#427

I like Zach Tellman's response to this: "Pretty sure Paul just called me a Renaissance man" https://twitter.com/ztellman/status/1337921811397283842 At this point, my main criticism of Paul Graham is that when he's called out, he never backs down. He never admits he's wrong.

I'm sorry, but would you care to explain the inside baseball to the uninitiated? Who is Zach Tellman, what's a Renaissance man and how does it relate to a paragraph that doesn't mention time periods, how is this calling out Zach Tellman specifically or rather, what's the backstory there, and what does any or all of that have to do with previous criticism of Paul Graham? I'm completely lost here.

All I know about Zach Tellman is that he has a different definition for 'renaissance man' than I do.

Re: Earnestness

#428

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I want to sell the world on the idea of Capabilities Based Security... which means no product, nothing to profit from, which means no help from Silicon Valley at all. 8( No matter how earnest, or driven... if there's no profit in it, nobody there cares. How do you suggest I market this idea?

I dunno, do you have any friends with deep pockets and chaotic energy? In seriousness, no clue. Forking the financial system, which crypto is arguably intended to do, seems hard enough. Forking the kernel (as I understand you propose) seems even harder; you can't rely on traction from anyone with spare hardware, you'd need voluntary opt-in from established players, right? I'd never heard of capabilities until I follo…

Forking the kernel won't help. There needs to be a new security model... Genode is a step in that direction... I've been waiting for them to get something to the point where I can get it working well enough to be a daily driver.

It's possible someone could get the drivers going on a Raspberry Pi 4, which would be close enough. I think it'll happen next year some time.

Re: Earnestness

#429
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> it sounds shady so it probably was c'mon catch people a break. Maybe they were a former alchy giving AA advice to troubled kids, maybe they don't like talking about their religion online

Great point, thanks for the perspective

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Re: Earnestness

#430

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I agree with you on the depth and seriousness of the subject. Some fascinating studies include: Saga’s Sorrow: Femininities of Despair in the Music of Radical White Nationalism https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/ethnomusicology.58.3.04... Transnational Encounters: Music and Performance at the U.S.-Mexico Border https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265829427_Transnati... Is Birdsong Music? Outback Encounters wit…

I can’t tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. FWIW I think all of those things sound interesting and cool. Here’s the abstract from the ‘Saga’s Sorrow’ paper: “This article examines the construction of gender roles in contemporary white nationalist music. Grounded in extensive and ethnographic fieldwork, the article traces the rise of leading Swedish singer Saga and argues that her music frames women as besiege…

> I can’t tell if you are being serious or sarcastic.

Of course they were trolling. I don't claim that there isn't a lot of bogus stuff in ethomusicology (as the OP sarcastically proves), just that it is a perfectly legitimate field. You can also find a lot of pompous bullshit in machine learning publications, but that does not mean that ML is bogus.

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