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Re: Talk about “AI” in the press these days tends to conflate two things

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Post by kerng »

kerng wrote: post #70
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #45

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I appreciate your enthusiasm but we're still not there. The videos look almost perfect, with "almost" still oscillating around the uncanny valley. Self-driving cars are almost totally self-driving and are almost not killing people. GPT3 uses fluent English and can be used to generate almost meaningful content in most contexts. Speech recognition progressed enormously and can be used to transcribe most well-pronouncin…

The interesting thing is that in many ways we are already there - but it's difficult to see because we are part of the shift. I really enjoyed (think it was Joscha Bach) take on the idea that companies are basically AI with humans in the loop. The more our life and work is online and digital the more computers and algorithms will control what we see and experience, and what opinions we have. A company has a cost func…

Always love it when a thoughtful comment is downvoted without reply - it usually shows that you are on to something

Re: Talk about “AI” in the press these days tends to conflate two things

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

kerng wrote: post #71
kerng wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interesting thing is that in many ways we are already there - but it's difficult to see because we are part of the shift. I really enjoyed (think it was Joscha Bach) take on the idea that companies are basically AI with humans in the loop. The more our life and work is online and digital the more computers and algorithms will control what we see and experience, and what opinions we have. A company has a cost func…

Always love it when a thoughtful comment is downvoted without reply - it usually shows that you are on to something

A downvote is less expensive than a comment explaining why they think you are wrong, that's all.

Re: Talk about “AI” in the press these days tends to conflate two things

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Post by DoreenMichele »

kerng wrote: post #71
kerng wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interesting thing is that in many ways we are already there - but it's difficult to see because we are part of the shift. I really enjoyed (think it was Joscha Bach) take on the idea that companies are basically AI with humans in the loop. The more our life and work is online and digital the more computers and algorithms will control what we see and experience, and what opinions we have. A company has a cost func…

Always love it when a thoughtful comment is downvoted without reply - it usually shows that you are on to something

In some cases it means "I not only disagree with this specific comment, I recognize your user name and past history has convinced me you are an ass and not worth engaging in debate. So I'm going to anonymously express my opinion that you are wrong here while avoiding having to deal with your crap."

That's one of the reasons I use the downvote button without replying.

(I have no idea who in heck you are. Your name does not ring a bell for me. I'm just saying there are other explanations for downvoting without replying than the one you want to assert here.)

Re: Talk about “AI” in the press these days tends to conflate two things

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Post by tauchunfall »

blackrock wrote: post #40
NalNezumi wrote: post #23

The talk about "AI" is not just misinterpreted in the press, but the ML/AI practitioner themselves too. I can understand academia & researcher hyping it up, they need to chase the funding. But code boot-camp "ML" engineers being all over-hyping is really, really annoying and contribute to the problem far worse. These people are easy to spot: go to an ML/AI meetup or community that also shares latest tech. Since those…

The so called “AI” as they are practicing it now, is not intelligent at all. Sure, they found a new trick to recognize cat pictures. But this technique was discovered decades ago. It just took this long for computers to speed up, for it to be usable. Instead, they should change the moniker from Artificial Intelligence, to Artificial Insight. Because all it is doing is to comb through all that random data, to look for…

>Instead, they should change the moniker from Artificial Intelligence, to Artificial Insight.

Several times when I spoke to people about this point I got empty faces. Some seem to like the idea of automating things more than augmenting human thought with better tools.

Related article about Moldable Development:

>We can trace both models back to the early years of the first electronic computers. However, the struggle between these two worlds is still present today. For instance, Intelligence Augmentation (IA), is all about empowering humans with tools that make them more capable and more intelligent, while Artificial Intelligence (AI) has been about removing humans fully from the loop. You can read an excellent essay (Shan Carter and Michael Nielsen) about this topic.

via: https://osoco.es/thoughts/2019/05/designing-media-for-though...

Re: Talk about “AI” in the press these days tends to conflate two things

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Post by abhinav22 »

st1x7 wrote: post #37
abhinav22 wrote: post #6

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Because it’s regression and statistical analysis. Nothing special about ML except applying it to large(r) datasets, particularly in areas where it works well (various recommendation based models for example).

I don't see a problem with machine learning as a term. Especially since it incorporates more than regression methods - it's useful to have a general term without having to specify the type of algorithm each time.

Fair enough. Although I would prefer a less sensational term, I liked “Big Data” a lot in that regard.

Re: Talk about “AI” in the press these days tends to conflate two things

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Post by abhinav22 »

perlgeek wrote: post #36
abhinav22 wrote: post #6

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Because it’s regression and statistical analysis. Nothing special about ML except applying it to large(r) datasets, particularly in areas where it works well (various recommendation based models for example).

Your neurons also learn by processes similar to regression and statistical analysis. Why would it be OK to call it learning in a human or an animal, but not in software?

A human can learn maths and do pure analysis (if it was smart enough).

A machine would struggle with simply machine learning to answer pure math questions.

Although the M1 chip from Apple.... ;)

Re: Talk about “AI” in the press these days tends to conflate two things

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Post by st1x7 »

abhinav22 wrote: post #75
st1x7 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see a problem with machine learning as a term. Especially since it incorporates more than regression methods - it's useful to have a general term without having to specify the type of algorithm each time.

Fair enough. Although I would prefer a less sensational term, I liked “Big Data” a lot in that regard.

The terms big data and machine learning describe very different things though. You can't use them interchangeably. I would also argue that big data is the more sensational one of the two. Machine learning can be easily defined as a group of algorithms. Big data on the other hand is a vague notion that doesn't make it clear what is happening at all and this ambiguity allows sensationalizing.
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