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Re: Chrome Is Bad

#141

This should not be the #1 story on HN right now. :( It's a single anecdote that deleting Chrome on two computers sped them up. It provides zero evidence (even anecdotal) that it has anything to do with "Keystone" specifically. It provides zero evidence for the idea that "Keystone" is able to "nefariously hide itself from Activity Monitor". And it also completely contradicts the normal user experience of Chrome, which…

It's literally Chome Bad = upvote

Re: Chrome Is Bad

#142

This should not be the #1 story on HN right now. :( It's a single anecdote that deleting Chrome on two computers sped them up. It provides zero evidence (even anecdotal) that it has anything to do with "Keystone" specifically. It provides zero evidence for the idea that "Keystone" is able to "nefariously hide itself from Activity Monitor". And it also completely contradicts the normal user experience of Chrome, which…

My WindowServer usage was over 90% before but it went back down to under 10% after I did what he said. I also only needed it to test one site I was developing. I had the exact same things he did: MBP slow even when nothing is running, WindowServer always running high. So I think I can vouch for it being true. It seems to have worked for me also.

EDIT: Maybe it's just placebo. I checked the CPU usage on WindowServer before and after deleting & restarting.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

#143
post #29

The author went so far as to create a domain for this rant, and yet didn't even do any performance metrics or basic forensic analysis at all. I'm not saying the author is wrong, but there's a lot of questions here. How does Keystone hide itself from the Activity Monitor? Is there a Keystone process if you run `ps aux`? Did you run dtruss/strace? What is it doing when Chrome isn't running that causes it to degrade per…

I'm quite impressed by that “chromeisbad” as a domain was not already taken.

With the amount of rebuttals in this thread, I'm impressed `chromeisgood.com` isn't taken.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

#144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone know a way to get Safari to show a preview of the url when you hover over a link? I tried to switch recently since it's supposed to waste less battery but two things I found were a bad experience after Chrome: - no decent ad blocker? the one I saw recommended was Ad Guard but that seems to require you to have an Electron app running simultaneously (!) in order for it to block anything - in Chrome when I h…

You can force click on the link if you have a trackpad that supports it. There are probably ways to simulate a force click even without such a trackpad. The same also applies to iOS: links can be previewed across many apps by long pressing. KB here: https://support.apple.com/guide/safari/go-to-websites-ibrw10...

That shows the whole webpage. It looks like they just want to see the link in the lower left, which can be done, as others have said, by turning on the status bar from the View menu.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

#145
While I'm not sure if the author is right or wrong about this, Google definitely has a liberal approach to using the computers of their users. You are not asked (or even informed!) they will run the Software Reporter Tool and you won't probably notice it until the fan gets louder and you start investigating what is draining your battery now. Yes, I know they do it in good faith but still find in arrogant.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

#146
post #65
post #29

The author went so far as to create a domain for this rant, and yet didn't even do any performance metrics or basic forensic analysis at all. I'm not saying the author is wrong, but there's a lot of questions here. How does Keystone hide itself from the Activity Monitor? Is there a Keystone process if you run `ps aux`? Did you run dtruss/strace? What is it doing when Chrome isn't running that causes it to degrade per…

> The author went so far as to create a domain for this rant It's not a 'far' thing to purchase a domain anymore. Domains are cheap as chips, and have gotten cheaper now since the advent of novel generic TLDs where usually the first year is sold cheap but to roll it over into the next few years the price is hiked (which is why so many people now purchase a domain for a year only). It is common now and expected to see…

A lot of blogging services integrate domains as well.

If you already have payment integrate, adding a domain to a blog is a few clicks - if even.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

#147

This should not be the #1 story on HN right now. :( It's a single anecdote that deleting Chrome on two computers sped them up. It provides zero evidence (even anecdotal) that it has anything to do with "Keystone" specifically. It provides zero evidence for the idea that "Keystone" is able to "nefariously hide itself from Activity Monitor". And it also completely contradicts the normal user experience of Chrome, which…

Maybe you are right. A lot of comments here are complaining about the post in terms of scant evidence. Someone could pretty easily myth-bust this, but I have not seen that in the comments here yet.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

#148
post #135
post #14

This is total nonsense. Even for malware, hiding from Activity Monitor would be quite a feat. Short of an exploit, you couldn't hide your process without a kernel rootkit, but macOS has required user approval to load kernel extensions for several versions now. I suppose you could go the low-tech way and just name your process "WindowServer" to confuse the user, but you'd still end up with two WindowServers. The idea…

For those of you who are unaware, Comex is one of the most respected security researchers of all time and has done extensive research into Chrome and won Pwn2Own multiple times. He is completely correct, keystone is just Chrome's auto updater. The technical content of this article is super thin. This shouldn't be on the top of hacker news.

The blog post quality is lacking but the comments are interesting.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

#149

This should not be the #1 story on HN right now. :( It's a single anecdote that deleting Chrome on two computers sped them up. It provides zero evidence (even anecdotal) that it has anything to do with "Keystone" specifically. It provides zero evidence for the idea that "Keystone" is able to "nefariously hide itself from Activity Monitor". And it also completely contradicts the normal user experience of Chrome, which…

This is peak hacker news. If this were a comment it would be deleted, but for headlines, the less information the better.

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Re: Chrome Is Bad

#150
post #123
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another thing you can do: profile the process to find out what exactly it’s spending all that CPU time on. There are a few different ways to do this on macOS, including the GUI Instruments.app which comes with Xcode, and dtrace. But if you’re the sort who always has a terminal open, the quickest way is to just run sudo spindump Also useful when a process is hung, even if it’s not taking up CPU time. Sometimes the out…

So users are expected to run debugger tools in order to figure out what some hidden program is doing? Many years back I couldn't sleep and noticed my HDD's was working hard. I checked and it was google updater that was scanning everything... I will never know why, they might be stealing IP (i was working on OCR at the time) or they just wanted to create a profile to serve better ads...

There is a GUI program as he said.

By definition, “hidden” programs are not gonna tell you what they are doing up front.

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