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Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Oh this is normal. People upvote the title, then comment, then read it if the comments aren’t agreeing with their preconception. Humans are a mess of a species.

Sounds like a design issue. Why does the front page have an upvote button if we expect people to read the post/article first?

Interesting point. Perhaps if you click through the upvote button shouldn’t appear until 5 minutes later?

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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What does Chrome do better than Safari?

Does anyone know a way to get Safari to show a preview of the url when you hover over a link? I tried to switch recently since it's supposed to waste less battery but two things I found were a bad experience after Chrome: - no decent ad blocker? the one I saw recommended was Ad Guard but that seems to require you to have an Electron app running simultaneously (!) in order for it to block anything - in Chrome when I h…

You can force click on the link if you have a trackpad that supports it. There are probably ways to simulate a force click even without such a trackpad. The same also applies to iOS: links can be previewed across many apps by long pressing.

KB here: https://support.apple.com/guide/safari/go-to-websites-ibrw10...

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Because this sounded outlandish, I decided to have a look on my own system. Since the author didn't give any technical details, I grepped `~/Library` and `/Library` for files containing `keystone` in either name or contents. This yielded the following interesting candidates, along with similar entries for daemons etc: ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.google.keystone.agent.plist ~/Library/Google/GoogleSoftwareUpdate/GoogleS…

> I can't help but wonder what the motivation behind making this page was. Why would you immediately jump to assuming bad faith? No grand conspiracy required... the author believes that Chrome is slowing down his Mac and decided to share it. The end.

I'm not really one for conspiracies, more so I fail to see where the evidence is that Chrome was somehow related to begin with. I do agree my wording could be better there, though.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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For me - it works properly on spotty connections. I have fast, but unreliable internet that drops connection few times an hour and Safari and Firefox are almost unusable - when connection drops for just a few seconds they cannot open many websites for up to 5 minutes (reddit, google and youtube among many others; hacker news is one of the few that work all the time). Chromium based browsers do not have that issue, I…

I wonder if this is a DNS issue. Are the browsers that work ignoring the system DNS servers? Perhaps using DoH?

This was my first idea, I tried setting DNS to 8.8.8.8, tried 1.1.1.1, tried others, tried setting them in Network Setting, tried on router, tried sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder. I can ping those faulty websites during Safari downtime without issue, but somehow the browser does not even try opening the website (Timeline Recording in Safari shows no Network Requests). It looks like macOS is caching something somewhere and when that cache expires it starts to work again. Emptying Safari caches does not help and I don't know if there is any way to purge all system networking caches.

Chromium based browsers certainly ignore something, it might be DNS related but I'm out of concrete ideas what exactly to change.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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What does Chrome do better than Safari?

Does anyone know a way to get Safari to show a preview of the url when you hover over a link? I tried to switch recently since it's supposed to waste less battery but two things I found were a bad experience after Chrome: - no decent ad blocker? the one I saw recommended was Ad Guard but that seems to require you to have an Electron app running simultaneously (!) in order for it to block anything - in Chrome when I h…

force trackpad press on the link to see a preview

Ad Guard for Safari does not require you to run the app to block ads. Just quit the app.

The hover thing might be some pref but Safari shows urls on mouseover.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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What does Chrome do better than Safari?

Does anyone know a way to get Safari to show a preview of the url when you hover over a link? I tried to switch recently since it's supposed to waste less battery but two things I found were a bad experience after Chrome: - no decent ad blocker? the one I saw recommended was Ad Guard but that seems to require you to have an Electron app running simultaneously (!) in order for it to block anything - in Chrome when I h…

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Re: Chrome Is Bad

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In the security industry it's commonly known Chrome has the best security, this partly due to the amount of money Google invests in finding vulnerabilities (via fuzzing) in Chrome. For "proof", you can check how much exploit vendors pay for exploits for each browser. For example Zerodium offer: * $500k for Chrome RCE * $100k for Safari RCE * $100k for Firefox RCE https://zerodium.com/program.html The higher amount wo…

The higher amount would generally indicate its harder to get an RCE in Chrome That does not follow at all. Chrome has the highest market share and so an exploit would have the greatest impact potential. More users affected => more economic value for an exploit.

Market share has a factor, but its not always the commanding factor.

Take a look at https://zerodium.com/program.html

Apache and Nginx have a very similar market share. Nginx has higher share in top 10k websites, Apache has slightly higher share overall.

Yet Apache has over double the price as nginx exploits:

* Apache RCE 500k

* Nginx RCE 200k

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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I'm quite impressed by that “chromeisbad” as a domain was not already taken.

Yeah. After reading your comment I tried out a couple of similar domains on the form x is bad and x is good and they were both parked waiting for someone to pay whatever ridiculous price the owner is wanting to demand to sell it. I wish it was illegal to do that.

Somewhat related:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Motors_v._Nissan_Comput...

* https://www.thedrive.com/news/35179/the-man-who-fought-nissa...

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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A lot of skeptical comments in this thread. I'm not low-level enough to confirm or deny the specific claims in the article. I will say that my experience with regards to CPU performance "leaks" and Chrome seeming to always be running in the background even when I didn't want it to, as well as Chrome starting up on system startup when there didn't seem to be any references to it anywhere I'd expect to cause that, are…

What is running in the background/on startup, Chrome itself or its updater? And is this on macOS or another platform?

This was on Mac OS X when it was still stylized that way.

Chrome itself would run on system startup.

I no longer use that system, and don't remember the details well enough.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Is there a way to simply disable any Google background agents, but make them think they're still running?

I really want to just disable the background agents.

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