Chrome Is Bad • Hacker News Board

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by comex » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:16 PM UTC

codetrotter wrote: post #60

comex wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another thing you can do: profile the process to find out what exactly it’s spending all that CPU time on. There are a few different ways to do this on macOS, including the GUI Instruments.app which comes with Xcode, and dtrace. But if you’re the sort who always has a terminal open, the quickest way is to just run sudo spindump Also useful when a process is hung, even if it’s not taking up CPU time. Sometimes the out…

Speaking of the GUI Instruments.app. Is there a way to start a process from there, instead of attaching to an already running process? I used it the other day and could only figure out how to attach to an already running process with it.

Yes, it’s possible. In the menu with all the processes, pick the option “Choose Target”. It’s kind of an annoying UI, but it works.

Another option is to use `xcrun xctrace` to get a recording from the command line, which can then be opened in Instruments.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by LeoPanthera » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:16 PM UTC

terramex wrote: post #59

LeoPanthera wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does Chrome do better than Safari?

For me - it works properly on spotty connections. I have fast, but unreliable internet that drops connection few times an hour and Safari and Firefox are almost unusable - when connection drops for just a few seconds they cannot open many websites for up to 5 minutes (reddit, google and youtube among many others; hacker news is one of the few that work all the time). Chromium based browsers do not have that issue, I…

I wonder if this is a DNS issue. Are the browsers that work ignoring the system DNS servers? Perhaps using DoH?

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by whywhywhywhy » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:17 PM UTC

The amount of effort I need to invest to get my development team to even look at our apps in a browser other than Chrome is exhausting and I have to put up with snark and eye rolling every step of the way.

I feel like I'm back in the IE7 era.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by rhencke » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:18 PM UTC

SXX wrote: post #35

kgwxd wrote: post #15

Is there anything like this going on on Linux? I don't really use it, but I have it in case I need to do dev testing.

Fortunatelly on Linux it's just using standard repositories.

Yes... except the Chrome package adds updating itself to your cron scripts without telling you. :/

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by fortran77 » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:18 PM UTC

paulnechifor wrote: post #22

Looks like this is just a Windows/OS 10 trojan. These sort of bullshit software issues usually come the the territory.

This is a Mac only problem. He was talking about Macs, not Windows.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by Blikkentrekker » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:18 PM UTC

codetrotter wrote: post #70

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm quite impressed by that “chromeisbad” as a domain was not already taken.

Yeah. After reading your comment I tried out a couple of similar domains on the form x is bad and x is good and they were both parked waiting for someone to pay whatever ridiculous price the owner is wanting to demand to sell it. I wish it was illegal to do that.

If it weren't legal, then someone would simply use it for a trivial website and then sell it.

Perhaps that is the only reason this simple, trivial article exists.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by reader_mode » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:18 PM UTC

LeoPanthera wrote: post #32

Exuma wrote: post #2

It sucks because Chrome is so much better usability wise than all those others. I wish they would just fix whatever this keystone trash is, and leave that to stonehenge

What does Chrome do better than Safari?

Supports web standards ? Extensions ? Developer tools ?

I'm using Safari as my primary browser because Chrome is a resource hog and this i9 MBP sounds like a 747 taking off when it starts using CPU but Chrome is a better browser feature wise - I plan on switching back to desktop (since this WFH shift it's just better) and I will 100% use Chrome even if Safari was an option (fan noise/CPU power/power consumption aren't a concern).

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by mraza007 » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:19 PM UTC

Thank goodness i switched to FireFox long time ago But i still have to use chrome as it makes some Google applications slow on firefox which I hate

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by sbarre » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:19 PM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #75

The window to the internet should not be some monster that takes millions of developer hours and held ransom by a couple of big companies. I should be able to build my own browser in a 3 month sabbatical.

> The window to the internet

This exact part of your comment is why big companies are fighting so hard to own and gatekeep web browsers.

Re: Chrome Is Bad

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Post by gumby » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:19 PM UTC

awinter-py wrote: post #11

the linked 2009 wired article quotes adobe saying 'yeah we don't see the need to have an always-on updater process' fast forward to 2020 when (1) adobe has this and (2) they still email me every so often to remind me to install their software which (3) I have installed and been using I think life would be better if there were a 3rd-party update service that wasn't trying to also own marketing + distribution (i.e. tak…

Most of the GUI apps I use on macos update themselves using a framework like sparkle. Just uses an occasional (typically weekly) connection to check if an update is available and doesn’t need its own daemon.