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Elon Musk Decries ‘M.B.A.-ization’ of America

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Re: Elon Musk Decries ‘M.B.A.-ization’ of America

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He is onto something there. Bean counting is useful and companies cannot survive without good cashflow, but it should not become Mission A of the company, or engineering (and other) talent will look elsewhere. If one company's de facto mission statement is "We want to grow our market by 8.2 per cent and give our bosses higher Christmas bonuses" and another one comes and says "Guys, we want to fly to fscking Mars!", c…

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Re: Elon Musk Decries ‘M.B.A.-ization’ of America

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What’s the point of an MBA? Asking anyone this question who pursues the degree or has pursued the degree or insists on its value, often gives a non-answer. Like the following: * it helps with networking. * it helps with promotion. * it helps with advancement in career. * it helps with your resume. Boiling it down, “I can show off better and tout an imaginary quality”. If I was a person who was self employed or runnin…

Not sure who you're talking to, but the answers to this are pretty straightforward. If you're only ever planning to work at or run small companies, an MBA is not for you. That's not what it was originally designed for, nor what it's meant for today regardless of what the program marketing says. If that's you, then instead you should take some community college or online classes in basic finance, accounting, statistics, and microeconomics, then spend some hands-on time learning how small business marketing and sales actually work in the real world.

Where an MBA will help you is if you do not have a business background, but want to either run a company that will one day be medium-large or work directly at a medium-large company. If that's you, a decent MBA program will teach you how large businesses actually operate - how they're structured, how they measure performance, how they interact with shareholders, how they make financial decisions, how they choose which market strategies to pursue, etc. - and how you can talk with and interact with other executives without being a naïve "engineering is the only thing that matters" idiot. Additionally, if a large company career path is for you, the network and credentials that come with a high-tier MBA tend to pay for themselves because outside of tech, hiring and job hopping don't depend on github profiles and whiteboard coding to get $250K+/year jobs.

Re: Elon Musk Decries ‘M.B.A.-ization’ of America

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It is easy to moan about been counting when you are riding a wave of intellectual property rights that protect your business (patents on tesla/spaceX tech). Try selling apples. Try manufacturing nails. Try opening a family restaurant. Most businesses live and die in tiny margins. Been counting keeps them alive.

Re: Elon Musk Decries ‘M.B.A.-ization’ of America

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There is a middle ground to be found here. Musk is managing his companies as pure hype-machines. This can only successfully work for a couple companies that operates as cult. If there is one thing that made Tesla successful, is the charismatic leader personality of Musk. Tesla is only a success on the stock market. They are not profitable, and the coming years will be the turning point for EVs. I don't see them comin…

Tesla and SpaceX make things. Calling them “hype machines” when there are countless tech companies that have literally ran on hype and have no product to show for it is doing a massive disservice to what Musk has done.

Re: Elon Musk Decries ‘M.B.A.-ization’ of America

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Spot on. MBA's aren't meant for 0 to 1. They're meant to optimize and sustain business models with the foundation of innovation and revolutionary ideas. Companies that only stick to one or the other are doomed, or require their industry to be that much more technical or business focused.

How is this working for other car makers, who are full of MBAs? Elon comes along and takes their market share.

Pretty well. The large car companies are prioritizing the markets with the strictest emissions standards. Renault and Volkswagen EVs outsell Tesla in Europe. Toyota's already in a good position for fleet emissions because it's been selling hybrids for so long.

EVs are still only a small percentage of the overall car market. The world's biggest car companies won't stop being the world's biggest car companies. They'll just start selling more EVs.

Re: Elon Musk Decries ‘M.B.A.-ization’ of America

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"I determined absolutely that never would I join a company in which finance came before the work or in which bankers or financiers had a part. And further that, if there were no way to get started in the kind of business that I thought could be managed in the interest of the public, then I simply would not get started at all. For my own short experience, together with what I saw going on around me, was quite enough proof that business as a mere money-making game was not worth giving much thought to and was distinctly no place for a man who wanted to accomplish anything. Also it did not seem to me to be the way to make money. I have yet to have it demonstrated that it is the way. For the only foundation of real business is service." Henry Ford - http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/7213/pg7213.txt

Re: Elon Musk Decries ‘M.B.A.-ization’ of America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"We want to grow our market by 8.2 per cent and give our bosses higher Christmas bonuses" This isn't a bad thing. Profit and price are, in most cases, still reasonable signals for what consumers want, and growing your market means you're serving real demand in the actual world. This is what creates employment and utility. Flying to Mars and ignoring market share is nice but doesn't serve any actual point, other than…

Right. But the company needs to have a point . Growing market share doesn't mean you're serving your customers' needs. You can grow your market share quite well by acting anti-competitively, or by exploiting your customers' weaknesses (gambling). No thanks.

to add, I think the general argument here is that aiming for output doesn't mean the input will be good/beneficial.

Re: Elon Musk Decries ‘M.B.A.-ization’ of America

#149

There is a middle ground to be found here. Musk is managing his companies as pure hype-machines. This can only successfully work for a couple companies that operates as cult. If there is one thing that made Tesla successful, is the charismatic leader personality of Musk. Tesla is only a success on the stock market. They are not profitable, and the coming years will be the turning point for EVs. I don't see them comin…

> Tesla is only a success on the stock market. They are not profitable

Tesla has had 5 straight quarters of profitability.

Re: Elon Musk Decries ‘M.B.A.-ization’ of America

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It’s a matter of phase of company. MBAs are better at measuring and capturing value. Weaker at creating it. Therefore the non-MBA expert outperforms in the growth phase, though it takes a different mindset for mature companies.

> MBAs are better at measuring and capturing value. Weaker at creating it.

Spot on! I've described the difference as "creating vs scaling value."

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